Massive School Shooting at an Elementary School

[DGFone]

16 hours of work a week is not working. You spend more time than that a week getting to and form work.

As usual, you take on topic, and change to a whole different one. Get back on topic: What makes you think that you're qualified enough to, with 100% certainty, dictate what we should do with our own gun laws, in our own nation, and our own culture.

I do remember that you swore to me that you'll stay away from American related topics. Not only did you fail that in one day, here you are now telling us how we should run our own country. Here's a tip for you: The Netherlands are not perfect themselves. Once they are, I might listen to your advice.

Until then, leave us alone. Here's another big reason why people support gun rights:

If you hate guns, no one ever told you that you need to have one yourself. But if you ban guns, you're forcing your own beliefs onto others. Last time I checked, that's not a free system, which means it's not how it's done here in America.

Also, our dear President:

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[Woeler]

Ok, listen: Stop talking about me. Stop pretending to know me. Stop personally attacking me. And last, but definitely not least: Stop telling me what to do.

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[quote="DGFone"]1. Last time I checked, wanting "All non-Dutch" is not the same as wanting only non-Dutch workers out. And even that, wanting 'only' non-Dutch workers out of the nation? Yeah, I call that racism. [/quote]
[quote="DGFone"]1. I don't care who you discriminate against. Muslims, Easter Europeans, non-Dutch.. I don't care. The end matter is that official stance of this party is to discriminate against others. [/quote]
[quote="DGFone"]This makes me wonder: Are you Europeans unable to find work that you guys actually enjoy?[/quote]
[quote="DGFone"]As usual, you take on topic, and change to a whole different one.[/quote]
[quote="DGFone"]Get back on topic[/quote]
[quote="DGFone"]Until then, leave us alone.[/quote]
[quote="DGFone"]your Freedom party. They sound too much like the KKK, Nazis, and Stalinists for me to rest easy. Specifically, the "punish all Jews and Muslims" clause.[/quote]

^Not true at all BTW^

You have the right to think whatever you want. I have the right to think it's ridiculous.

I know the Netherlands is not perfect, it's far from it. But it's closer than your country.

[quote="DGFone"]Until then, leave us alone.[/quote]
How about no?

[quote="DGFone"]If you hate guns, no one ever told you that you need to have one yourself. But if you ban guns, you're forcing your own beliefs onto others. Last time I checked, that's not a free system, which means it's not how it's done here in America.[/quote]
It's not forcing beliefs at all. There is not one single political group in this country that calls for the legalization of guns. It's a combined initiative from our society. We have no desire for them, and we've been pretty good without them. By that logic everyone should be free to own a nuke, even Ahmadinejad.

I'm just replying and arguing to a topic, be it guns, be it happiest country. Stop taking everything personally and stop fighting me as a person.

Just a sidenote:

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Article: Europeans are generally unhappier when they work more than 16 hours.
DGF: Europeans work less than 16 hours.
Average Dutch workweek: 38 hours.

[Regulus]

[quote="DGFone"]^ Of all the rules you just wrote down, non of them are the proper one.

The proper one is: "The guns is always loaded." It's not telling you that there is always a bullet in it, or that if its empty that you need to put one in, but rather that you always treat it as though it's loaded.[/quote]

You're kidding, right? Did you even read what I said?

If you're going to debate, claiming everyone else a bunch of kids with no experience is not the way to do it.

If you actually had a point, you wouldn't be regurgitating the same old thing, over and over and over again, while rarely responding to anyone else's post. And you sure as heck wouldn't be consistently attacking Woeler.

You mentioned that it's a matter of rights, and for the last time I'm going to say this, it isn't.

It is not a right to be able to kill people. Guns are designed to kill people. So how is this logically sound?

Guns can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong person. But since it's impossible to define who the wrong person is, banning guns from everyone (with the exception being they're the 0.01% that actually needs a gun) is fair.

We do not have a right to own a gun, any more than we have a right to own a Death Star.

Oh, but Death Stars aren't all that bad! You just don't know how to use one. It's only up to the person in control not to use the superlaser to kill planets. If you learn to operate it safely it will be fine.

[DGFone]

[quote="Regulus"]
Guns can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong person. But since it's impossible to define who the wrong person is, banning guns from everyone (with the exception being they're the 0.01% that actually needs a gun) is fair.

We do not have a right to own a gun, any more than we have a right to own a Death Star.
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ANYTHING can be deadly in the hands of the wrong person. Anything. So why, based on this logic, don't we ban everything that can kill someone? Oh, and while we're on that topic, seeing as everyone who are born are destined to die, why don't we simple kill off all children today so that our generation will be the last, and once we will die off, there will be no more death?

Knives are very good killing utensils. The only reason why you don't go around telling others that we need to ban those is because you know that there are other uses for knives apart from killing people. Guess what, Einstein? Same with guns. Just because you don't think guns have any uses doesn't make it a fact.

[Woeler]

[quote="DGFone"][quote="Regulus"]
Guns can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong person. But since it's impossible to define who the wrong person is, banning guns from everyone (with the exception being they're the 0.01% that actually needs a gun) is fair.

We do not have a right to own a gun, any more than we have a right to own a Death Star.
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ANYTHING can be deadly in the hands of the wrong person. Anything. So why, based on this logic, don't we ban everything that can kill someone? Oh, and while we're on that topic, seeing as everyone who are born are destined to die, why don't we simple kill off all children today so that our generation will be the last, and once we will die off, there will be no more death?

Knives are very good killing utensils. The only reason why you don't go around telling others that we need to ban those is because you know that there are other uses for knives apart from killing people. Guess what, Einstein? Same with guns. Just because you don't think guns have any uses doesn't make it a fact.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure guns are made to kill, or at least wound living things.

[AdAstrα]

What other uses are there for guns? I'm just curious.

[Regulus]

Exactly right. Guns have no other use, aside from killing someone.

Give me one instance where you need a gun, and it's not to kill someone, or something. Can you think of anything?

I understand you like to shoot guns. If it's a hobby, that's fine. I understand.

I'm a big fan of racing. One day, I want to buy a sports car, even though it's very dangerous. However, even as an auto enthusiast, I would support a law requiring governors to be installed on all cars, to limit speeds to 80MPH. That is simply because I have no reason to ever go faster than that. Nobody needs to go that fast. I can still enjoy the thrill of driving a sports car at legal speeds.

It's the same concept. If you want to own guns, that's fine. But no one living in a civilized society today needs to be able to kill something that quickly. You can still shoot a gun with non-lethal ammunition. You can still defend yourself with non-lethal ammunition, as well as many other methods.

The only reason to ever not ban guns is the fact that we already have them, and taking them away is nearly impossible.

I'll give you that, and that's why the best solution is to do it slowly, with baby steps.

[ScarsLove]

[quote="AdAstra"]What other uses are there for guns? I'm just curious.[/quote]

Hunting.

[Regulus]

Hunting is still killing, so it falls into the same category.

[ScarsLove]

[quote="Regulus"]Hunting is still killing, so it falls into the same category.[/quote]

True. Maybe they could be put on display? I'm not sure what else you could need a gun for that doesn't involve killing.