[quote="Regulus"][quote="TheLionPrince"]So, yes, I believe a "War on Christmas" does exist.[/quote]
I don't.
[quote]The term, "holiday tree", is too generic, and needs to be specific about which holiday it is being used for. [/quote]
Because I totally disagree with this.[/quote]
You disagree with everything I say. So, I'm not surprised.
[quote="Woeler"]It's actually not a war on Christmas. It's just people realizing it's another stolen holiday along many. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated (and continue to celebrate) Yule at that time, long before Jesus was born and most of present-day Christmas customs, including carols, Christmas tree etc. have, beyond any doubt, origins in Celtic or Germanic winter solstice customs. The same goes for the ancient Roman-Pagan festival of Saturnalia. It wasn’t until 350 CE that the Church of Rome declared December 25 as the day of “Christ’s” birth, in order to ease the process of converting pagans to this new religion.[/quote]
Correct a mundo!
[quote="Woeler"]Do we have a war on Saturnalia, or a war on Yule? No, so why do people think a (copied) Christian holiday IS being fought? I'm gonna be honest with everyone: It's one big piece of Christian butthurtness.[/quote]
Because more often than not, groups like he American Civil Liberties Union have started court cases to have images and other material referring to Christmas removed from public property. One case such as
ACLU of New Jersey v. Schundler (1999) appealed to have the a menorah (although a symbol of Hanukkah), a creche, and a Christmas tree at New Jersey City Hall removed. Although a
site from ACLU.com states the government being used to promote religious beliefs is unconstitutional, it is mentioned the City Hall also had large plastic figures of Santa Claus and Frosty the Snowman, a red sled, and Kwanzaa symbols. With symbols of Christianized Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and secular symbols (Santa Claus, Frosty the Snow man) all being allowed on the City Hall, the City Hall is not establishing a singular religious holiday customs, but all religious and secular symbols. So, why does the ACLU just go after mainly the Christmas symbols?