Israel Under Attack?

[Woeler]

[quote="TheLionPrince"][quote="Woeler1"][quote="TheLionPrince"]In some ways, yes. The land did originally belong to the Israelites around 2 BCE until the Roman Empire invaded the region.[/quote]
The United States was originally from the native Americans. By that view we should give them their land back as well. But they don't fight over it. Germany doesn't fight over Austria which was once theirs. The Netherlands does not fight over Britain which would have been theirs is William III had had a son.[/quote]

I knew you would throw that argument about the United States at me. I just knew you would call me out on that, which is why I posted first, "in some ways..."[/quote]
Oh well am I that predictable xd?
Anyway, in the end it's still a fight between two nations over ridiculous reasons. In the end both will find out that they are no more than the men they fought against: Dead and forgotten. Dead because of an imaginary border that never should have been there in the first place.

[TheLionPrince]

[quote="Woeler1"]Oh well am I that predictable xd?[/quote]

Yeah. I read these World Issues all the time to the point "sometimes" I know how you make your argument, and back it up with facts. I simply established the argument, and you responded just how I believed you would respond.

[quote="Woeler"]Anyway, in the end it's still a fight between two nations over ridiculous reasons. In the end both will find out that they are no more than the men they fought against: Dead and forgotten. Dead because of an imaginary border that never should have been there in the first place.[/quote]

You're an antitheist, and I'm a Protestant. You think that way, and I do too, but we split when I state all the Middle East conflicts will lead up to Armageddon.

[Woeler]

[quote="TheLionPrince"]You think that way, and I do too, but we split when I state all the Middle East conflicts will lead up to Armageddon.[/quote]
I'm not really sure what you mean...

[TheLionPrince]

Armageddon...

[quote="Oxford Dictionary"]

*(in the New Testament) the last battle between good and evil before the Day of Judgement.

*the place where the Armageddon will be fought.

*a dramatic and catastrophic conflict, especially one seen as likely to destroy the world or the human race: nuclear Armageddon[/quote]

Armageddon (or some kind of direct military conflict), in the Judeo-Christian perspective, will destroy the human race as we know it as you so boldly state. I believe the same thing, but here's the twist: Israel prevails!

[Woeler]

[quote="TheLionPrince"]Armageddon...

[quote="Oxford Dictionary"]

*(in the New Testament) the last battle between good and evil before the Day of Judgement.

*the place where the Armageddon will be fought.

*a dramatic and catastrophic conflict, especially one seen as likely to destroy the world or the human race: nuclear Armageddon[/quote]

Armageddon (or some kind of direct military conflict), in the Judeo-Christian perspective, will destroy the human race as we know it as you so boldly state. I believe the same thing, but here's the twist: Israel prevails![/quote]
Well that is not exactly what I state. I state that if the world does come to an end here or wherever, or if it limps into the future, decimated by the effects of a religion-inspired nuclear terrorism (because yes, this is terrorism!) let's remember what the real problem was: That we learned how to precipitate mass death before we got past the neurological disorder of wishing for it.

And you say a battle between good and evil? Israel is good? They're just as bad as the arabs. In fact, they're even worse. Forcing thousands and thousands of families from their homes and villages. Women, children. Locking up hundreds of people who are not willing to cooperate. And this is all performed in the name of a state that has no right to exist.

The irony of this whole thing is that because of its power to divert man to destructive courses, the world actually could come to an end.

[TheLionPrince]

[quote="Woeler1"]Well that is not exactly what I state. I state that if the world does come to an end here or wherever, or if it limps into the future, decimated by the effects of a religion-inspired nuclear terrorism (because yes, this is terrorism!) let's remember what the real problem was: That we learned how to precipitate mass death before we got past the neurological disorder of wishing for it.[/quote]

Okay. I can see what you mean.

[quote="Woeler1"]And you say a battle between good and evil? Israel is good? They're just as bad as the arabs. In fact, they're even worse. Forcing thousands and thousands of families from their homes and villages. Women, children. Locking up hundreds of people who are not willing to cooperate. And this is all performed in the name of a state that has no right to exist.[/quote]

No. That's just one definition of Armageddon. I'm postive it is much more complicated than that, and I will clarify once I do more research. Once again, Israeli Jews has a right to exist in the homeland of their ancestors, and defend itself from the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and Iran.

[quote="Woeler1"]The irony of this whole thing is that because of its power to divert man to destructive courses, the world actually could come to an end.[/quote]

Agreed.

[Woeler]

Another 10 people die in Palestine due to Israeli attacks, under which 4 children...

It's a wonderful world. Analyzing the whole war I'm not so sure who the real terrorist is...

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And I mean come on. Look at the Israeli settlers, paid for often by American tax-dollars so that they can steal enough land from other people and get all the jews into the promised land, all the non-jews out of it and then finally the jewish people will be worthy of the return if the messiah. There are enough Christians in the US who consider it their job to help this happen so that armageddon can occur, so that the painful business of living as humans and studying civilization and trying to acquire learning and knowledge and health and medicine can all be scrapped so that the cult of death can take over.

That to me, is a hideous thing. There are people who sincerely want this death and can't wait to bring it on.

And as I said: Israeli jews (Europeans, but ok) have as much right to own Israel as the Natives have to own all of America.

[Woeler]

[quote="Banana"]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/11/2012111842933654975.html
It is really sickening to see the destruction caused by both sides, especially since most of the victims are innocent women and children. So far 11 people have been killed, all of them civilians.
I also agree with Woeler that Israeli jews have no right to the Palestinian territory. It would be like claiming Australians need to leave Australia because the Aboriginals were there first. Land belongs to whoever claims it, history has nothing to do with it. I of course don't mean that Israelis need to leave or be blown up, just that they should give the land back to its rightful owners.[/quote]
Indeed.

I wonder what key difference keeps them from living together in peace........

[DGFone]

[quote="Banana"]
Land belongs to whoever claims it, history has nothing to do with it. I of course don't mean that Israelis need to leave or be blown up, just that they should give the land back to its rightful owners.[/quote]

So all of America belongs to the Europeans because they claimed it, and the natives never bothered to do so? Can I then claim that I own Mars, and forbid anyone from going there without my permission? Can I claim that I own your home and kick you out?

[Woeler]

[quote="DGFone"]
So all of America belongs to the Europeans because they claimed it,[/quote]
Those Europeans who lived in the former lands of the United States revolted (or did something similar) Which makes them not really Europeans anymore.

[quote="DGFone"] and the natives never bothered to do so?[/quote]
It's so easy to defend your homeland with arrows and axes when the other side has guns and cannons... they were being slaughtered if they didn't obey. They DID bother, they just failed.