For or against Gay Marriage

[Azdgari]

Yikes. I just went back and read some of the stuff I missed. Yikes.

[Tora]

You know I understand both sides of the issue, but I think that we as a nation need to be more tolerant. If the reason we are against it is because of religion than we need to exam our religion carefully. While I see why Christians do not like it; I also see that they should not be the ones to limit free will. If we truly are in faith of God we must realize that it is not our place to judge a person for the sins they commit. Nor is it our right to prevent them from making their own choices. We may not like the choices they make, but that doesn't mean that we have the right to deny them that choice.

I am a Christian and I follow the teachings of Christ more than the Old Testament. While I believe the Old Testament is important I think we need to learn from the teachings of Christ. As long as we as Christians fight the battle God will not interfere. It is when we as Christians realize that God wants to fight our battles for us that nothing can stand against us. Now do I support Gay marriage? No. Am I against it? No. When I voted "No" for supporting Gay Marriage I did not mean I was against it. I only meant that I would not be someone to put my name to endorse it. While I believe that everyone has the right to do what they want reasonably that does not mean I can back their beliefs.

No I am not intolerant, and I think all people should be happy. I do not think that in the end that same sex marriage will last very long anyway. I think they should have the right to do so though. If it lasts than it lasts. I do however think that even if a man is Sinning he still can be saved. No man but Christ is sinless. We have all committed sin, and in no doubt will commit some sin later in life even as a Christian; but does that mean we will burn in hell? No. A Christian is a sinner that is saved by grace.

With all this being said I have to say that we do not need to have such a war over such an issue. Instead of fighting over such trivial things we, as a nation, need to think about the future of this country and of this world.

[Kopalover]

First off. Why do we, as humans, have the get all happy and excited when we are granted a right, but when a group of people want rights, we get all angry and upset. We are all the same group of people in the end. We all have the same ending, death, so why not let someone ve happy before their time is over?
If a Homosexual wants to marry their significant partner, then allow it. It's what they want to do with their lives and how it makes them happy! They're going to die too, don't let them die unhappy.

Remember when women couldn't vote, and men got angry for it when they protested? Nowadays, no one cares. In the future, we'll be saying the exact same thing, but with gay marriages.
Its giving people the right to be who they want to be.


Unrelated to Tora's post above, just felt like saying this.

[TheBlackCatCrossing]

You know I understand both sides of the issue, but I think that we as a nation need to be more tolerant. If the reason we are against it is because of religion than we need to exam our religion carefully. While I see why Christians do not like it; I also see that they should not be the ones to limit free will. If we truly are in faith of God we must realize that it is not our place to judge a person for the sins they commit. Nor is it our right to prevent them from making their own choices. We may not like the choices they make, but that doesn't mean that we have the right to deny them that choice.

I am a Christian and I follow the teachings of Christ more than the Old Testament. While I believe the Old Testament is important I think we need to learn from the teachings of Christ. As long as we as Christians fight the battle God will not interfere. It is when we as Christians realize that God wants to fight our battles for us that nothing can stand against us. Now do I support Gay marriage? No. Am I against it? No. When I voted "No" for supporting Gay Marriage I did not mean I was against it. I only meant that I would not be someone to put my name to endorse it. While I believe that everyone has the right to do what they want reasonably that does not mean I can back their beliefs.

No I am not intolerant, and I think all people should be happy. I do not think that in the end that same sex marriage will last very long anyway. I think they should have the right to do so though. If it lasts than it lasts. I do however think that even if a man is Sinning he still can be saved. No man but Christ is sinless. We have all committed sin, and in no doubt will commit some sin later in life even as a Christian; but does that mean we will burn in hell? No. A Christian is a sinner that is saved by grace.

With all this being said I have to say that we do not need to have such a war over such an issue. Instead of fighting over such trivial things we, as a nation, need to think about the future of this country and of this world.

Playing Devil's advocate here, Tora (No pun intended), but when you say that we need to think of the future of this country, this included social issues. There was a time when one's religion was a big issue, especially if you were President. This country was founded by WASPs. Do you remember how everyone went crazy because Kennedy was Catholic? Nowadays, we don't really give a [censored]. Well, unless you count the few that bring up Romney's Mormon beliefs.

So yeah, you guys: Log Cabin Republicans. Three headed oddity or hypocrites? (I am really curious!)

[FlipMode]

Oops misunderstood the thread title last time I posted here. I thought it was asking if gays should have the right to marry but I realise now it's only saying "Do you support it?" I don't mind if one says "I don't support it" as long as they don't say "You shouldn't have the right" which no one here has said as far as I can see.

I of course, support it. It would be strange not to since I am bi myself but I have friends IRL who don't support the right for homosexual marriage... All it means is they are neutral to it, they wouldn't exactly protest it or such but they respect my decision

I'm sorry, should I be nice to someone who says I'm immoral if I want to marry another woman?

But none of the people who voted "no" said you, I, or anyone else was immoral. We are quick to call them immoral when really, let's be honest for a second here - we are just as immoral if not more so for condemning one who simply shares their views in a pretty respectful way.

Let's pause for a second here, the problem with this thread IMO is the question it asks in the OP is worded too differently to the thread title. Title: " For or against Gay Marriage" Question in OP: "Do you support gay marriage" now just because one says "No I don't support it" does not mean they are against it.
QED; the question in the OP should have been the same as the one in the title, and I reckon the results would have been quite different.
'Cause I never have met anyone, on here or IRL who fully opposed gay marriage rights; I met people who don't support it, wouldn't go round with picket fences in protestation of it, but never met anyone who said "No, you shouldn't have the right to marry, because gay marriage is wrong and you shouldn't be able to marry the same sex"

[FlipMode]

^http://www.mylionking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=150&t=25574

He who does not abide the law shall not have the right to choose them either

It doesn't matter whether you are in prison for a day for stealing an apple, or 10 years for raping someone. Criminals do not deserve the right to vote. By disrespecting the law you disrespect the right to vote for them and thus don't deserve the right to vote.

Is that not also an unequal right? Prisoners would be happier with the right to vote than not. And they meet the description you gave (concious creature). Yet it is okay to prevent them a right to something? I know the example is quite different but it serves to prove my point which is this; some think certain groups should not have certain rights and have perfectly valid reasons for that.

[Carl]

But none of the people who voted "no" said you, I, or anyone else was immoral. We are quick to call them immoral when really, let's be honest for a second here - we are just as immoral if not more so for condemning one who simply shares their views in a pretty respectful way.

I was reading topics here and on another forum at the same time, so I guess someone there said it was immoral, and I didn't double check. I do not mean to condemn anyone who does in fact share their views in a respectful way. Even though I dislike their opinion, if they are respectful about it, I usually hold my tongue. However, I do know for a fact that one member did not state their opinion in a respectful way, and it's things like that that make me snap; I have been holding in that rant for quite some time, but I think I am quite through bashing people for it at present.

[Carl]

I do admit that I lost my temper and I was wrong to do so. I was having a bad day and had read enough ignorant statements elsewhere that I just posted exactly what I was thinking. I have calmed down now, and will do my best in the future to refrain from being so defensive and remain civil. With that, I have said my piece and will now leave this to the people who are better at these kinds of discussions, as I have nothing more to say on this matter anyway.

[Dark Huntress]

I'm very sorry, Juliette, that I offended you. I didn't know I was being offense and rude. I thought I was just stating my opinion and I didn't know I would offend people. So, sorry

[Jarrett]

Man, this is such a controversial topic, I'm honestly surprised this is allowed to be discussed here. But whatever, I personally don't have a problem with gays just because I believe it two people are in love, then why should they be criticized for their actions? However, I won't lie, I do find it a little repulsive and uncomfortable when there's a public display of affection between two gays.