Should society become secular?

[SlayerOfLight]

I agree, door knocking can be quite annoying, especially by jehova's witnesses. I've had them knocking on my door perhaps a few times I dunno, but I didn't open the door. even though I'm a christian, those arrogant jehova witnesses still think I'm going to ''hell'' because I don't keep their man-made doctrines. I don't even refer to them as ''christians'' concidering they made up their own things which got nothing to do with the bible and christianity at all.

[Woeler]

[quote="Nicholas"]I agree, door knocking can be quite annoying, especially by jehova's witnesses. I've had them knocking on my door perhaps a few times I dunno, but I didn't open the door. even though I'm a christian, those arrogant jehova witnesses still think I'm going to ''hell'' because I don't keep their man-made doctrines. I don't even refer to them as ''christians'' concidering they made up their own things which got nothing to do with the bible and christianity at all.[/quote]
As jehova is based on christianity, so is christianity based on judaïsm if I'm not mistaken. This also makes all the different branches confusing. As far as I know the Toran was first and the Bible is based on that and then the Qu'ran was based on the bible.

Back to the secular thing. It would be more than needed that there are a set of rules EVERYBODY abides. Neutral rules.

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote="Woeler1"][quote="Nicholas"]I agree, door knocking can be quite annoying, especially by jehova's witnesses. I've had them knocking on my door perhaps a few times I dunno, but I didn't open the door. even though I'm a christian, those arrogant jehova witnesses still think I'm going to ''hell'' because I don't keep their man-made doctrines. I don't even refer to them as ''christians'' concidering they made up their own things which got nothing to do with the bible and christianity at all.[/quote]
As jehova is based on christianity, so is christianity based on judaïsm if I'm not mistaken. This also makes all the different branches confusing. As far as I know the Toran was first and the Bible is based on that and then the Qu'ran was based on the bible.

Back to the secular thing. It would be more than needed that there are a set of rules EVERYBODY abides. Neutral rules.[/quote]

jehova's witnesses aren't really christians, even if they look like so. they lie about many things, and made up stuff that isn't even found in the bible, such as jesus being nailed to a ''stake'' instead of a cross.
christianity isn't really based on judaism, but but more of an upgrade from judaism, as christians acknowledge Jesus Christ as the prophecied messias from the torah while jews do not and still rely on their ancient traditions to be saved. however, there are jews who acknowledge jesus christ as the messias, those are called ''messianic jews''. as for the quran, it's not based on christianity, it's more of an anti-christian relegion as it tells not to be ''friends'' with jews and christians, and that jesus didn't died on the cross. quite complicated, all of this.

and I agree about the rules-thing you said.

[Woeler]

[quote="Nicholas"][quote="Woeler1"][quote="Nicholas"]I agree, door knocking can be quite annoying, especially by jehova's witnesses. I've had them knocking on my door perhaps a few times I dunno, but I didn't open the door. even though I'm a christian, those arrogant jehova witnesses still think I'm going to ''hell'' because I don't keep their man-made doctrines. I don't even refer to them as ''christians'' concidering they made up their own things which got nothing to do with the bible and christianity at all.[/quote]
As jehova is based on christianity, so is christianity based on judaïsm if I'm not mistaken. This also makes all the different branches confusing. As far as I know the Toran was first and the Bible is based on that and then the Qu'ran was based on the bible.

Back to the secular thing. It would be more than needed that there are a set of rules EVERYBODY abides. Neutral rules.[/quote]

jehova's witnesses aren't really christians, even if they look like so. they lie about many things, and made up stuff that isn't even found in the bible, such as jesus being nailed to a ''stake'' instead of a cross.
christianity isn't really based on judaism, but but more of an upgrade from judaism, as christians acknowledge Jesus Christ as the prophecied messias from the torah while jews do not and still rely on their ancient traditions to be saved. however, there are jews who acknowledge jesus christ as the messias, those are called ''messianic jews''. as for the quran, it's not based on christianity, it's more of an anti-christian relegion as it tells not to be ''friends'' with jews and christians, and that jesus didn't died on the cross. quite complicated, all of this.

and I agree about the rules-thing you said.[/quote]

They probably think the same about you. So that is an endless conflict about absolutely nothing. They believe the same stories with some adjustments. Which in my opinion gives you no right to call them wrong as in the end the basics are the same. Same goes for other faiths, what makes christianity right, and islam wrong, at least for you? A muslim would say exactly the oposite.

This again is an argument supporting secularity because such conflicts would simply not exist.

Edit
If this topic is suddenly getting locked, should have done it way earlier if even this is not allowed.

[SlayerOfLight]

@woeler

well, it is a fact jehova's witnesses are a cult, rather then a christian group. why are they not christian? because they deny many christian doctrines. for example, they rather believe Jesus is a ''lesser'' God under Jehova, while Jesus and Jehova are óne God according to the bible and christianity. they also claim Jesus christ is some sort of ''angel'', while the bible says otherwise. they even say Jesus is NOT worthy of prayer. and the most disturbing thing, they say Jesus Christ resurrected as ''michael the archangel'' after he rose from the death when being crucified. none of their stuff is found in the bible, and even Jesus himself said according to the bible that not everyone who calls him ''lord'' will enter the kindom of heaven.

but the question was not what makes islam wrong and christianity right. I didn't even say that in my previous statement (I'd be a fool if I did, because it could result in me getting a warning or something) all I said, was that the islam/quran attacks christianity and judaism.

[Woeler]

[quote="Nicholas"]@woeler

well, it is a fact jehova's witnesses are a cult, rather then a christian group. why are they not christian? because they deny many christian doctrines. for example, they rather believe Jesus is a ''lesser'' God under Jehova, while Jesus and Jehova are óne God according to the bible and christianity. they also claim Jesus christ is some sort of ''angel'', while the bible says otherwise. they even say Jesus is NOT worthy of prayer. and the most disturbing thing, they say Jesus Christ resurrected as ''michael the archangel'' after he rose from the death when being crucified. none of their stuff is found in the bible, and even Jesus himself said according to the bible that not everyone who calls him ''lord'' will enter the kindom of heaven.

but the question was not what makes islam wrong and christianity right. I didn't even say that in my previous statement (I'd be a fool if I did, because it could result in me getting a warning or something) all I said, was that the islam/quran attacks christianity and judaism.[/quote]
I see, they sure differ more than I thought. Still it is the way in which you want to interpret the word christian. That is also a big problem in modern society because everything is scatered all over the place.

To come back on my muslim comment. I wasnt saying that you said it. I just asked why are you a christian and not a muslim? What I'm trying to prove is that the reason you are going to give will be the exact same reason a muslim will give if i as him "why are you not christian?"

[Noah]

[quote="Nicholas"]well, it is a fact jehova's witnesses are a cult, rather then a christian group.[/quote]
I'm not gonna lie. That's a bit offensive and I'm not even a Jehovah's Witness
And I thought Religious topics weren't allowed.

[WildSimba]

This has pretty much evolved into a religious debate. Topic locked.