Kim Jong Il is dead

[SlayerOfLight]

smart? I'd say FAR from smart, lol. forcing his own people to love him because everyone hates him, isn't exactly ''smart'', but rather a poor attempt to increase his fame and popularity. if you ask me, the entire north korea was like ÓNE big concentration camp itself.

[Azdgari]

The government pays for the people. They miss certain freedoms which is indeed wrong.

Umm, such as food? =P

Millions of people have starved in North Korea as a result of Kim Jong Il's negligence, and it continues to this day. It's called a concentration camp because people are starving and they aren't allowed to leave. It's not an awful comparison, I don't think. :3

And yes, he did also violently persecute those who didn't conform to his demands of worship. Additionally, it's been researched that the health care, like everything else Kim Jong Il touched, was horrifically corrupt and ineffective. And the universal schooling you mentioned is more appropriately described as brainwashing, I think. The perception I'm talking about isn't from the lens of George Bush, it's from independent journalism, Amnesty International investigations, and escaped North Koreans.

[Azdgari]

Well, what's the other side, then?

[Azdgari]

My link already asserted that health care is not even close to sufficient or universal. The fact that they are starving in large number makes me doubt that they have access to clean water (also, Amnesty International revealed they do not have clean water for medical use, so how do they get it for consumption?) Where be yer' sources, yarr'?

[Azdgari]

"North Korea's healthcare system has been in a steep decline since the 1990s due to natural disasters, economic problems, and food and energy shortages. Many hospitals and clinics in North Korea now lack essential medicines, equipment, running water and electricity.[194]
Almost 100% of the population has access to water and sanitation, but it is not completely potable. Infectious diseases, such as tuberculosis, malaria, and hepatitis B, are considered to be endemic to the country.[195] Life expectancy in North Korea is 63.8 years, occupying the 170th place in the world, according to 2009 estimates."

"Multiple international human rights organizations, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, accuse North Korea of having one of the worst human rights records of any nation.[196] North Koreans have been referred to as "some of the world's most brutalized people" by Human Rights Watch, due to the severe restrictions placed on their political and economic freedoms.[197]"

[Azdgari]

Hard to argue with that. =(

[SlayerOfLight]

same here, I'd rather live in Africa then in North Korea. :S because at least in Africa I can be a christian whitout being killed or being deported to a north korean death camp...

[SlayerOfLight]

moving there??? NEVER, lol. but only ment, if I had to choose to either live in africa then north korea, I'd say Africa.