If only happieness existed. (Only experience happiness)

[Tora]

[quote="Regulus"][quote="Tora"][quote="Julie Skywalker"]I am sick and tired of this life... no matter what I do or how optimistic I try to be, everything still always sucks. [/quote]
Learn to love what sucks, and then you will truly always be happy. [/quote]

Well, that's pretty crappy advice.

If you learn to love what sucks, then nothing truly sucks. If nothing sucks, then how can you love anything? Since everything is relative, by eliminating suckiness, you are eliminating happiness as well.[/quote]

[quote="Tora"]On the contrary. One need not know of suckyness to be happy. [/quote]

[quote="Regulus"]Yes, you do. How can you describe the meaning and importance of light, to someone who has never been in a dark room?

If there is no yang to complement the yin, then there is only yin. If there is just yin, then it just is. If yin just is, then it cannot be determined to exist, because there is no way to observe it.[/quote]

[quote="Tora"]You're thinking in discovery terms. Here's the thing. If you know not what something is doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just because we don't observe it doesn't mean that it isn't there. Think of it this way. Without suckiness only happiness exists, and if that be the case than perhaps we could not discover it, but that however doesn't mean that were not happy. We wouldn't know the feeling, but we would simply be happy all the time.[/quote]

[quote="Julie Skywalker"]In that case though, we would grow bored and restless, feeling like something was missing, and go out looking for whatever it was until we found suckiness. Happiness cannot be appreciated if one does not know pain and suckiness.[/quote]

[quote="Tora"][quote="Julie Skywalker"]In that case though, we would grow bored and restless, feeling like something was missing, and go out looking for whatever it was until we found suckiness. Happiness cannot be appreciated if one does not know pain and suckiness.[/quote]
How would one feel like something is missing if they have never known the feeling at all. And why would they search for such a feeling?[/quote]

[quote="Regulus"][quote="Tora"]We wouldn't know the feeling [of happiness], but we would simply be happy all the time.[/quote]

Think about that for a minute. Does it make any sense at all?

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Would you be happy all the time, if you do not know the feeling of happiness?

If you don't know it, then, for all intents and purposes, it does not exist.

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Continuing the conversation from the thinking thread about only feeling happiness without suckiness or any sad like emotion. Move this if it is in the wrong section.

You do not know it, but you still feel it. It is all that exists. You wouldn't think about it, but you would feel it. You wouldn't know how to decipher it, because it's all you know and have ever felt. So you would have the illusion of not having emotions, but in reality you would have one emotion. Happiness.

[Regulus]

This is life. There's good parts, but there's patches of bad parts as well. No matter which path you choose from one end to another, you'll inevitably go through both.



Now, consider that there's only good parts. What does it look like?



It's blank. There's nothing there. You can say that there's 'white space' there, but what does that truly mean? Since anything other than white space does not exist, the fact that there is white space is irrelevant.

It is nothing.

[Tora]

It is something, but we can't say what. We don't know what it is, but it still is. It still exists.



This is all good. Darkness doesn't exist. So we only see light. Think of it this way. It's like we're blind.
Can a blind man see? Nope, but does sight still exist? Yep. He doesn't know sight if he was born blind, but it's still there, but he'll never see. So unless he is told of sight he knows not of it. Yet he goes on fine without it. How? Simple he just doesn't have it.

So in the same sense if we were only happy than we would only be happy we would not know of anything else it would not phase us. We would never think about it. It would not cross our minds. We would simply go on being happy not knowing we were happy, but still none the less we would be happy. We would not be sad. We would not know of sadness. So like the white image all we would have is the same thing. We wouldn't grow tired of it, because that requires us to not be happy and so it can't be since we only know happiness. So the white would only be white and there would be nothing else. This is confusing to type.

[KingCub]

Think of it as this, happiness is only the absents of suffering/sadness. For one to exist, there must be the other.
If there was only happiness, you would still find something thats not as happy as the rest of what you are living. Therefor making unhappiness.

[Tora]

Think of it like this.

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We only follow this line. Can we ever experience sadness if we can only follow that line?

[KingCub]

If you followed that line, you would get used to happiness. Eventually there would be something that does not fit into that 'normal happy life' that you now live in. It could be better then what you had, therefor making the old life sadness/or not as good. Or it could be worse, making that a unhappy feeling.

Lets say you where born and raised in a white box, locked out of the world. You would be on that red line of happiness. Even if you had NO idea of what happiness is, any other feeling would not match up to your original feeling of happy. Anything that is not happy, is sadness.

[Tora]

But what im saying is that if you only know happiness and you can only follow that line and never stray from it is it possible to ever become sad? I get what you are saying, but if everything brings you happiness according to that line we can't ever be sad.

[KingCub]

You could follow that line, and you would live forever happy. Just as Regulus said, if you only lived in happiness, would it still be happiness? If you had no other feelings, how would you know that you are happy?

Lets think of it like this- What if one day you decide that you are going to be happy for the rest of your life. You still knew what sadness and all other feelings are, you just decide not to feel them. Do you still think it would be possible to block out everything else in the world? If you did manage to do that, and ignored everything that brings you sadness (taxes, school, ex...) that would all come back to bite you in the butt. Its kinda like the whole "hakuna matata" problem. If you lived with no worries for all of your life, sometime that will come back to you. You kinda need sadness to be happy.

Its like the moment you finish a huge exam, you get the great feeling knowing that something not-so-fun has ended.

[Regulus]

Which dot is lighter?

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The second one looks lighter, obviously, but the dots are in fact the same color. The RGB value is 149, 141, and 133 for both, if you don't believe me.

Happiness works in very much the same way. On an absolute scale, you would be right, but we do not live on an absolute scale. Everything we know is relative to our own experiences. If all we have are happy experiences, then we do not really have happy experiences. We would only have experiences.

If that doesn't explain it, consider this.

Consider the game, Battleship. To define the location of a ship, you need the position in the x and y direction. You do not need to say what the height is, because the sea level is flat, and all ships are at that same level.

We live in what we perceive to be a four-dimensional world, but within the game of battleship, we only use two coordinates. The height of the ship, and the time the ship was there are irrelevant.

However, if you are planning an event, you need to know four things: three coordinates to identify the location in space (length, width, and height), and one coordinate to identify the time, such as tomorrow at 2PM.

Could there be more dimensions? Absolutely! But we don't notice them, so they are irrelevant to us.

Likewise, if all we notice is happiness, then we do not need a coordinate to define it. It becomes irrelevant, and it ceases to exist to our perception. Happiness ceases to exist, because we have no way to measure it.

If you lived a life of nothing but happiness, you would not have had a happy life. You would have had a life.

[Tora]

Except in this world that this takes place sadness can't occur. No emotion but happiness exists. We couldn't define it, but it would be all there is. So no matter what happened you would not feel sad about it. You'd be happy even if the saddest things happened. So in other words you cant feel sadness. You just can't. No matter what happens you just can't feel anything but happiness. This only occurs if we could never feel sadness. It's not practical yes, but theoretically is it not possible? As Regulus mentioned I am thinking on an absolute scale. But in order to feel neutral sadness must exist, but on this absolute scale it never reaches and so it can't be irrelevant.