Predator Drones

[Baya]

That doesn't make sense...the old testament is there to teach you history? If people were to read the old testament and obey it, they are not true Christians? So accepting Genesis = makes you not a true Christian by your logic. You said out in bold that the new testament is the only part that matters for true Christians...

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote="Baya"]That doesn't make sense...the old testament is there to teach you history? If people were to read the old testament and obey it, they are not true Christians? So accepting Genesis = makes you not a true Christian by your logic. You said out in bold that the new testament is the only part that matters for true Christians...[/quote]

How does it not make any sense to you? I told you, the new testament matters for Christians when it comes to being taught how to live. Accepting Genesis and following the old testament laws are two completely diffrent things... For example, when it says in the old testament to stone sinners, doesn't mean that we have to do that. I didn't mean that we christians are to rebuke the whole old testament as if it never happend, if that is what you thought... LOL.

Besides, wasn't the argument if wether the unpleasant verses in the old testament applies to Christianity or not?

[Baya]

Indeed it was. I haven't one hundred percent read the new testament myself, but until then I must recline my position to you.

[SlayerOfLight]

Well, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed because in the new testament you'll won't find verses that literally tell Christians to kill other people, or harm other people in any way, If that is the only reason you're going to read it.

[Woeler]

Christians are hypocrits, especially when it comes to the old testament. Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

But you people are searching way too deep into the bible. The cruelty is right before you nose. What father tortures his children for ever? What father crucifies his child? What father causes famine, disease and natural disasters? What idiot would be so stupid to create man?

If someone ever asks me to praise the man who said "yes, I'll kill my kid to show my love of God" I'd say "no [censored] you".

It's a celestial North-korea, it is wanting to be a slave, part of a herd who doesn't think, but just follows. North-korea is better actually, because at least you can die and leave north-korea.

It is a devaluation of human life and intelligence. You people live for dying, and that delusion is truly evil.

[Baya]

I couldn't have said it better myself ^ Yet, I don't like the phrase "You people"...it implies a negative connotation to it...I prefer to just call them Christians. Though one thing I disagree with Woeler, is that everyone lives simply to die. There is not a person in this world who lives without death. Everything we do does not matter, as the last step is always death.

[Azdgari]

Yay Episcopalianism! "Where the cool Christians just hang out and help people and do community outreach and love everyone and actually try to act like Jesus would, and ordain gay and female preachers, and believe that birth control and abortion are personal choices, and bless homosexual unions, and welcome all to communion, so on and so forth"

With many different branches of Christianity, it always kind of annoys me when people make blanket statements about "Christians". Catholics and Episcopalians may as well be night and day. Although I'm agnostic, I still love going to my Episcopal services and speaking with my pastor. He's an amazing guy.

For those who aren't familiar with Episcopalianism.

[TheLionPrince]

Bleh, let's see if I make sense of all of this:

[quote="Woeler"]But you people are searching way too deep into the bible. The cruelty is right before you nose. What father tortures his children for ever?[/quote]

It seems you are referring to hell. Well, God does give his children free will and a lifetime of a chance to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. It's like taking a test in school: your teacher tells you two weeks beforehand there will be a test, and study for it. If I could choose to waste that time doing meaningless instead of studying to get a well-earned A, then, I practically chose to fail when test time comes around, and I have to face the consequences of getting a F. It's the same way with God: it's their choice if they wish to accept or squander his passport to heaven. Like in the natural world, there are consequences for our actions.

And I am fully aware that in areas of the world, the Bible is not being preached. Well, Jesus said before he left, he will not return to the Earth until all areas of the Earth has heard the Gospel (Matthew 24:14 says "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."). So, God is giving us a chance right now to get right with him before the Rapture occurs so everyone will get a chance to hear of him. And we certainly can't force them to believe, and I know you certainly hate the government pushing Christian beliefs onto the people. So, if they choose not to take heed when given the chance, there's nothing but consequences they have to face.

As for what happens when children die, there is the concept of the "age of accountability" that teaches those who die before reaching the age of accountability (13 according to the Jews) are automatically saved, by God’s grace and mercy and can enter heaven.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/age-of-acco ... z2OVSC7ktM

[quote="Woeler"]What father crucifies his child?[/quote]

God did it to redeem us from our sins. Beforehand, God's children had to sacrifice lambs. Something (or someone) had to atone for the mountains and mountains of sins done over since the days of Adam and Eve.

[quote="Woeler"]What father causes famine, disease and natural disasters?[/quote]

God didn't create (or cause) famine and disease; those were the results of sin entering mankind after Adam and Eve were tempted to eat the fruit. Natural disasters fall into the same category; God placed man to live in a garden of paradise, but after man fell, all of that went away, and now we have to live in a world that has been cursed by sin.

[quote="Woeler"]What idiot would be so stupid to create man?[/quote]

God originally created man to be without sin (therefore perfect), and again, Adam and Eve made the wrong choice of eating the forbidden fruit. Over the course of human history, men have grown more wicker and wicker; again, this is a result of our own doing.

[Regulus]

[quote="Azdgari"]Yay Episcopalianism! "Where the cool Christians just hang out and help people and do community outreach and love everyone and actually try to act like Jesus would, and ordain gay and female preachers, and believe that birth control and abortion are personal choices, and bless homosexual unions, and welcome all to communion, so on and so forth"

With many different branches of Christianity, it always kind of annoys me when people make blanket statements about "Christians". Catholics and Episcopalians may as well be night and day. Although I'm agnostic, I still love going to my Episcopal services and speaking with my pastor. He's an amazing guy.

For those who aren't familiar with Episcopalianism.[/quote]

That same logic applies to everything, basically. Blanket statements typically refer to the mean, or the (seemingly) statistical majority, or else they wouldn't exist. But, of course there is always going to be a standard deviation.

[Azdgari]

So... don't make sweeping generalizations?