Massive School Shooting at an Elementary School

[DGFone]

I'll tell you the very simple reason why less people die in the Netherlands: Because it's the Netherlands, full of Dutch people.

Look, I know what I am about to say is very politically incorrect, very cynical, but in the end, also very true. However, I will put it in a spoiler because I'm afraid that people these days might not accept the answer, because it goes quite against a lot of social movements of the past 50 or so years. What is the main cause of crime?

(And I strongly urge to you consider if you want to open the spoiler or not. I'm not breaking the rules here, but what it says is very extreme.)

Inequality.

And I know that you know that it's true, otherwise you wouldn't tell everyone you can to vote for a political party that tries very hard to ban not guns, but foreigners. When people of different cultures meet, you get trade and the expansion of ideas. You also get war, and the smaller cousin of war is crime.

The difference between the Netherlands and the US is that we are a country of immigrants, while the Dutch are all natives. It's only logical that the US will have more crime, guns or no guns. And considering that crime in the Netherlands is closely tied to immigration, you know what I just said is true.

If you read what was in the spoiler, I hope you have the courage to understand that I am not saying this to get a reaction or to troll you guys, but because it's simply a fact of life.

Edit: I guess I should mention it before any of you guys freak out: I don't like what I said here, and I do wish that it were different. But I cannot change the fact that in the end, what's inside the spoiler. I hate it just as much as you guys do, I just feel like this fact needs to be realized by society more.

[Regulus]

Unbelievable.

Spoiler: show

That is not only incredibly offensive, but astonishingly ignorant as well.

[DGFone]

[quote="Regulus"]Unbelievable.
That is not only incredibly offensive, but astonishingly ignorant as well.[/quote]

Yes it's offensive, but it doesn't make it true. It's cynical as [censored], I'll give you that.

[TheLionPrince]

Regulus: Epic response is epic.

DGFone: That was bad! Let's get back to facts. Please don't get this topic locked.

Woeler: What if I told you the Netherlands has worse violent crime than the US. And in terms of the top ten, the US is not on the list.

[DGFone]

[quote="TheLionPrince"]Regulus: Epic response is epic.

DGFone: That was bad! Let's get back to facts. Please don't get this topic locked.

Woeler: What if I told you the Netherlands has worse violent crime than the US. And in terms of the top ten, the US is not on the list.[/quote]

Look, I know you guys are probably hating me, and I agree with you: It's BAD. But you guys need to learn that it's also true. I'm not saying that I want it to be true, but that that's where the data points to. And seeing as I want to become a future scientist, I need to be flexible enough to admit when the evidence points at one place or another, no matter how much I hate it.

[Regulus]

But it isn't true.

[DGFone]

[quote="Regulus"]But it isn't true.
[/quote]

It's true. That's a very sad fact of life.

Edit: So a member got very mad at what I said, as is expected, so I changed the wording. But I want you guys to see exactly that: I changed the wording only, and not the meaning. But apparently a different word with the same definition still means a different thing...

[Regulus]

The only sad fact here is that this is somehow supposed to be a response to an argument about gun control.

It's suggestively racist, very off-topic, and logically flawed, all at the same time.

Now, back on topic or this thread is getting locked, and I don't want to have to do that. This thread has gone far enough into the dark ages already.

[TheLionPrince]

Ok......

So what do you guys think of Azdgari's suggestions?

[quote="Azdgari"]
- Limiting legal clip size to 10 (ideally 5 but I think that would be a tough sell) is reasonable.
- More thorough background checks and waiting periods are reasonable.
- Closing the gun show loopholes is not "reasonable", it's a no-brainer.
- More regulation on transfer of guns is reasonable: Your average citizen, without any sort of permit or authorization, should not be able to sell guns. It destroys the point of background checks and undermines basic security.[/quote]

I think they are both reasonable and possible to pass in Congress.

[DGFone]

[quote="Regulus"]The only sad fact here is that this is somehow supposed to be a response to an argument about gun control.

It's suggestively racist, very off-topic, and logically flawed, all at the same time.[/quote]

It's "suggestively racist" because you somehow inserted skin color into the equation. As for the logic, I don't know where your stance on this comes from, seeing how many times I linked to you the definition of the word, and considering that you tried to use a mathematical argument against me which was flawed at the core...

All I can say for any "racism" is to stop making assumptions, people. But that's not why I am posting now.

And now why did I bother to bring it up in the first place? I don't know about you, but it had to do about this topic (which didn't start out as gun control, BTW), and here is how:

When I was forced to 'discuss' this with Regulus, neither he nor I ever mentioned the dreaded G word of "gun". What I can summarize the whole thing as is that I used the wrong word, and I am the only guy here who thinks that if two words mean the same thing, then they can be interchanged at will. Apparently not, and even if two words mean the same thing, one is a mortal sin to use, and the other is not. And before you tell me that only I think this way, I asked my math teacher today if the two words mean the same thing, and he agreed without a blink of an eye. I dunno, could be a mathematical sort of thought process. If A=B then B=A, you know?

Back to guns: Never did I nor Regulus ever mentioned the word gun. When I asked him what creates crime, he said inequality (which is what I meant in the very beginning). Inequality. Not guns.

If guns never existed, crime would still happen until the heat-death of the universe while humans are still around, because try as we might, we will never achieve true inequality. It's biologically impossible, short of everyone being clones. At the same time, should somehow everyone be clones, and they all had guns, crime rates would be very low.

Guns are not the problem. They are the scapegoat.

You want less people to die? Don't ban guns. Tackle crime as a whole. Don't treat the symptoms, cure the disease.