Hyena March.

[DGFone]

Besides, what school teaches about WWII, but not the capture if the reichstag, which was one of the most important achievements in the fall of the reich? Probably because the Russians did it. And we all need to know them Russian commies are bad, bad bad!

Now you just explained to yourself why in American schools, the Reichstag gets skipped over. After all, textbooks can put the symbolic victory with the storming of this building, or they can use that space to praise a very similar symbolic victory - Iwo Jima.

Yes, I know that this scene is based off Hitler. I don't see how you got the impression that I'm arguing against that. Also, people don't need to know the name "Triumph of Will", but they all know what goose-stepping Nazis look like.

What I am arguing is that the pillars you are talking about, that might represent the Reichstag, I don't think they represent any specific building. After all, look:



Doesn't quite scream "Evil Nazis", now, does it?

I think you took a symbolic scene, and started to look too deeply for anything that can by a symbol. But as you know, sometimes a pen is just a pen. And a pillar of ground is just a pillar of ground.

[TheBlackCatCrossing]

Besides, what school teaches about WWII, but not the capture if the reichstag, which was one of the most important achievements in the fall of the reich? Probably because the Russians did it. And we all need to know them Russian commies are bad, bad bad!

We do hear about the Reichstag but it's more of a footnote and we dont cover it in depth. You will get more in depth discussions about it at the community colleges or in charter schools where the teachers can choose their lesson plans. In public schools in CA, there are standards that they have to follow hence why a lot of kids are not too familiar with the term Reichstag.

Also, I am taking a huge risk here but in your quote, you say we see the commies as evil. And yet, how many times have you bashed America? I aint saying its perfect but i would rather live here than where my family was originally from.

[TheBlackCatCrossing]

You were the one that brought up communism, dude. Just saying.

But yes, the WW2 allusions. Yes, Disney used to take risks.

[DGFone]

Do the pillars Scar stand on represent his powers over the hyenas? Definitely. Do they allude to Hitler and the Nazis? Yes.

Do they represent the Reichstag? I hardly think the animators even heard of that building before, let alone thought about it as they drew the scene. After all remember that The Lion King started production during the Cold War. The animators and directors most certainly did not go through the great achievements of the Red Scum when they were in school, for they were being taught to hate the Soviets, not love them.

[Regulus]

I think you took a symbolic scene, and started to look too deeply for anything that can by a symbol. But as you know, sometimes a pen is just a pen. And a pillar of ground is just a pillar of ground.

You're forgetting one thing:

It's a movie. It's an animated movie. Everything had to be drawn by hand. If you're going to take the time to draw it, there must be some reason. A pen is just a pen, but if you're going to draw a pen, then it must have some meaning.

I've never heard of the Reichstag before. But that doesn't matter, because I recognize what it's trying to represent without knowing its name.

The pillars symbolize government. Scar symbolizes Hitler. The marching symbolizes the German troops. Put the three together, and Scar is obviously standing on a German government building, in a manner representative of Hitler.

Whether or not the creators of the movie knew the name of the building is irrelevant.

[DGFone]

The pillars symbolize government. Scar symbolizes Hitler. The marching symbolizes the German troops. Put the three together, and Scar is obviously standing on a German government building, in a manner representative of Hitler.

Since when did the pillars start representing government? Scar's rule was that of a dictatorship, not a cooperative government. The pillars represent Scar's power, not as a symbol of whatever building Hitler used to make his grand speeches. It's about Scar looking down on the Hyenas like Hitler looked down on the Germans, and not about the fact that Hitler made X many speeches in this building, X many parades here, etc...

[DGFone]

You mean those things "have/had" a government. That's the thing about dictatorships - they all claim that they have government and all that, simply because it's impossible for one being to run an entire nation. But in the end, the "governments" are only puppets of the dictator.

After all, didn't Germany start losing badly after Hitler started to run the entire show?

I still say that you are looking for symbolism where there really isn't any.

[DGFone]

And my point is that I consider it very unlikely that Disney had the Reichstag in mind when they drew the pillars for Hitler to sit on.

[Regulus]

Then what did they have in mind?



And don't say "power" over the hyenas, because that's exactly what government is. It's basically just saying the same thing in a different way.