Humanity

[Tora]

I don't do it to be on a moral high ground or morally superior. Self righteousness is wrong and always will be. You want to call it a disorder so be it. One dreams of a world where love and happiness follow yet you look someone in the face that has all the qualities necessary for such a world to exist and you scream of all the wrong man has done. You call them a disorder, and you can't stand it because I'm a flaw in your equation of man. You deem all man more evil than good. Yet when a man with more good than evil crosses your path you condemn it and call it sick with a mental disorder.

Osama Bin Laden killed many and deserved punishment of imprisonment not death. If you so believe that death is the end than why give him end and not let him suffer rotting in a jail cell?

[Tora]

1. That the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

2. I never said "I" was that man. I said "When a man" on top of that if I was that man I'd be proud of it.

3. Being human has nothing to do with whether you're evil or good. That is a choice man must make individually.

4. Wanting to walk the high ground and saying I'm better than someone else are two different things Woeler.

5. You want to say that it makes one feel better to see the world better; well so what if it does. Should I feel nothing? Should I feel bad that things get better? You argument makes no sense.

6. Want to argue selfless? Well is it not better to be selfish helping others or selfish doing nothing for no one.

[Azdgari]

This is my Woeler metaphor I've been working on, already adjusted for pessimistic human nature view.

[In other news, totally amped to match wits with you, Woeler! Too long since we had a good discussion]


There are 1,000 bad people in the world and 100 good people.

People such as Tora and I will be in the 100 because of our personal convictions. People such as yourself will be neither, or perhaps even in the 1,000 (since I think you're insinuating or have insinuated in the past [correct me if I'm wrong] that being a bystander in a world of evil implicates you of evil as well) because you believe that philanthropy is a waste of time and human nature is inherently evil.

Which brings me to the conclusion: You are consciously part of the problem and make no effort to do otherwise, as far as I can tell. You could be attempting to make a positive change in the world, but you choose not because you believe it's pointless, despite the fact that if there were a thousand people with your viewpoint and they all decided to help -regardless- of their thoughts on its effectiveness, you would in fact make a massive difference.

What do you think of that analysis? Do you deny that apathy like your own is part of the reason humanity struggles?

[Regulus]

Evolution doesn't exactly work that way, Woeler.

It's not necessarily about the strongest being able to survive. The survival of a species relies on diversity, because when the environment changes, a different set of abilities are needed to survive.

In a world populated with only Woelers and Toras, nothing would ever be accomplished. If humanity is to survive for generations to come, we need all kinds of people. We need warriors, hunters, gatherers, artists, engineers, doctors, scientists, etc.

There's no need to go to war with other countries, because, who knows, someday there might be a plague, and that country might be first to find an antidote.

By helping others, we are helping our species as a whole. There is an evolutionary imperative to do so.

[DGFone]

The way the world is currently, even if it was populated by Jesuses, it will still all collapse into anarchy and death. Why?

Because our current technological point is a dead-end. We live on fossil fuels, which will not last for long.

The biggest problem I see with people right now is not that there are good people or bad people, but that everyone assume that someone else will solve all our problems. In short: too many people are lazy.

If you want to save the world, don't preach on the evils of the Hummer and get a Prius (which is even worse). Get off your backside and: Get an engineering degree and invent that green engine that we desperately need.

And to address some other points: There are only 2 primary reasons why technology and society improves: Someone wants to get filthy rich, or someone wants to kill someone else.

The world improved in the last century. Guess what happened in the past 100 years?
WW1, WWII, Cold War, Vietnam, Soviet Afghanistan, First Gulf War, Second Gulf War, US Afghanistan.

Love it or hate it, but the gun is the tool of innovation. After all, for millennia, romantics thought that one day, a weapon would be so powerful, it would prevent war. Some of the smarter ones actually invented weapons to try and do just that (a la Gatling). Finally, we have finally got to that point: Nuclear Weapons.

Try and hate them as you want, but the only reason why we don't have a war on the scale of WWII after it ended was because of nukes.

EDIT: And how's this for morality?

Why do I often feel like I'm the only person who doesn't think it's a bad thing to admit that I'm moral often for selfish reasons.

[Tora]

The way the world is currently, even if it was populated by Jesuses, it will still all collapse into anarchy and death. Why?

Because our current technological point is a dead-end. We live on fossil fuels, which will not last for long.

The biggest problem I see with people right now is not that there are good people or bad people, but that everyone assume that someone else will solve all our problems. In short: too many people are lazy.

If you want to save the world, don't preach on the evils of the Hummer and get a Prius (which is even worse). Get off your backside and: Get an engineering degree and invent that green engine that we desperately need.

And to address some other points: There are only 2 primary reasons why technology and society improves: Someone wants to get filthy rich, or someone wants to kill someone else.

The world improved in the last century. Guess what happened in the past 100 years?
WW1, WWII, Cold War, Vietnam, Soviet Afghanistan, First Gulf War, Second Gulf War, US Afghanistan.

Love it or hate it, but the gun is the tool of innovation. After all, for millennia, romantics thought that one day, a weapon would be so powerful, it would prevent war. Some of the smarter ones actually invented weapons to try and do just that (a la Gatling). Finally, we have finally got to that point: Nuclear Weapons.

Try and hate them as you want, but the only reason why we don't have a war on the scale of WWII after it ended was because of nukes.

EDIT: And how's this for morality?

Why do I often feel like I'm the only person who doesn't think it's a bad thing to admit that I'm moral often for selfish reasons.

Are you high?

[FlipMode]

The way the world is currently, even if it was populated by Jesuses, it will still all collapse into anarchy and death. Why?

Because our current technological point is a dead-end. We live on fossil fuels, which will not last for long.

The biggest problem I see with people right now is not that there are good people or bad people, but that everyone assume that someone else will solve all our problems. In short: too many people are lazy.

If you want to save the world, don't preach on the evils of the Hummer and get a Prius (which is even worse). Get off your backside and: Get an engineering degree and invent that green engine that we desperately need.

And to address some other points: There are only 2 primary reasons why technology and society improves: Someone wants to get filthy rich, or someone wants to kill someone else.

The world improved in the last century. Guess what happened in the past 100 years?
WW1, WWII, Cold War, Vietnam, Soviet Afghanistan, First Gulf War, Second Gulf War, US Afghanistan.

Love it or hate it, but the gun is the tool of innovation. After all, for millennia, romantics thought that one day, a weapon would be so powerful, it would prevent war. Some of the smarter ones actually invented weapons to try and do just that (a la Gatling). Finally, we have finally got to that point: Nuclear Weapons.

Try and hate them as you want, but the only reason why we don't have a war on the scale of WWII after it ended was because of nukes.

EDIT: And how's this for morality?

Why do I often feel like I'm the only person who doesn't think it's a bad thing to admit that I'm moral often for selfish reasons.

Are you high?

[Regulus]

Are you high, DGF?

[FlipMode]

Are you high, DGF?

Are you high?

[FlipMode]

I seriously thought weed was illegal in Calli.

Nah it's fine as long as he shares