Euthanasia

[Woeler]

[quote="Azdgari"]If you want to have a productive conversation, you must be open to the other opinion of the other side. That way, the exchange of ideas go both ways and all of those talking can formulate new, deeper stances on issues. Why post if you're not looking to accept, not hear, but accept, the opinions that oppose your own?


That being said, Woeler, you seem to take the stance that those who oppose abortion oppose it because they think that it's immoral.But like DG showed, many oppose it for pragmatic reasons. Yes, people suffer terribly. However, try this angle and tell me what you think: The nonexistance of euthanasia saves lives. Suffering, terminal patients can turn around. It is rare, but does happen. Are you content to have these lost lives on your conscience? Those people will die because medicine was unable to predict their turnaround, and their lives will be (I believe) thrown away.



Yes, I do support and did vote in favor of euthanasia.[/quote]
Oh you can change my mind, e.g. DGF changed my mind on the Afghan war. It's just that there is NO reasonable argument for taking one's right to die. There is none. You've told me this a million times. Then go on, get the facts, prove to me that people have the right to interfere in someone else's personal life, prove it to me. But there is no proof and there is no argument, they don't exist.

Euthanasia takes a term of 6 months of research by various doctors before it is performed. It will only be performed if it is the only option someone has. People coose for it themselves. If we were to take such chances as realistic we'd not be able to sell simple painkillers at the supermarket anymore, because some people take too many and die. Heck, nobody should have a house anymore because they can collapse and then their lives would be lost.
Euthanasia is for those who show that there is no sign of a turnaround.
A person dying from a falling coconut has a 1000x higher chance of happening than a person dying from euthanasia who might, maybe have lived through some semi-miraculous matter. Chances are so small, we can simply ignore them.

[quote="Arani"]There are quite simple ways to bypass religion and such though. When my grandma was in the hospital and in a lot of pain, we decided that the best thing for her would to give her the least painful death we could. And we knew that the doctor she had was against such things and wouldn't allow it, so my grandpa asked for another doctor who was not religious, and my grandma was able to pass without pain. If people believe in it, then they do. If they don't, then they don't. It's not our job to say that their beliefs and religions about it are BS. Yes I agree that it's the in-pain person's/families choice, but if it's against another's religion you can't change that. Just go find someone who you can agree with instead of fighting the one you can't agree with. =/[/quote]
Because show me which one of these is wrong:
My beliefs say euthanasia is wrong, therefore I can't commit it.
My beliefs say euthanasia is wrong, therefore you can't commit it.

[DGFone]

While not a person who is against euthanasia per say, I can say from personal experience, that I am not one hundred percent for it as well.

For the past 9 years, I suffered from an incurable disease. No matter what I or my family tried, we never even managed to get it under control. Ever. Even now, after I was forced to undergo several surgeries that I wanted to avoid like the plague, I still suffer both direct and indirect symptoms of the disease, and not all of them are physical. But despite that, I never considered suicide or any such escape route.

Sure, my disease was not technically a lethal one, but it still got me to the hospital in the end of 2009 with qualifications for death, but that's not the main thing I want to say. What I mean is that no matter how much I suffered (and believe me, it was a lot), I never ever thought that death was a better alternative. Not even the phrase "after this, you'll get better" stopped having any meaning. I was already in the act of committing social suicide (for those of you who knew already that I never had any girlfriends, this here is the reason why), and I was committing "suicide" with many other aspects of my life as well. But I never looked at death as a key out of my misery.

Which is what I think I should say here: Even if you might think that there are no other options left, you might try to still hold on for a bit longer...

[Woeler]

That's bacause your disease isn't a definite deathsentence, like MS. There is NO cure, there is NO medicine, there is NO surgery.

Hold on a bit longer? Easily said yeah. Tell that to someone who knows he's gonna die a terrible and painful death anyway.

Why hold on if the future is nothing but pain and suffering. Those who say this is the easy way out have no idea what they are talking about.

Imagine what it would take for someone to make such a decision. We cannot possibly tell them to hold on a bit longer because we do not have the slightest idea what it feels like. Not the slightest.