Republican candidate advocates death penalty for children

[Woeler]

[quote="wolfishgirl"]All countries have minorities. Yes, the minorities may be bad, but you can't sterotype the whole country from the minority. We also have freedom of speech, but we CAN NOT spread slander, or say things that cause distress. The freedom of speech we have is limited.[/quote]
I don't judge the country by what he said. I judge the country by allowing him to say such things, get away with it and have a job in politics. Don't kid yourselves. you can stand at a crossroad with a sign ''God hates fags'', that's not ''knowing freedom from'' that is ''abusing the freedom of''

[wolfishgirl]

So you're saying that we are not allowed to voice our opinions? to protest things that we are against?

[Woeler]

[quote="wolfishgirl"]So you're saying that we are not allowed to voice our opinions? to protest things that we are against?[/quote]
THAT is what you got from that? I'm saying stop hatespeech, discrimination and dangerous words like these. Like I said, there is a difference between using the freedom of speech and abusing it.
And yes, saying ''god hates fags'' is discrimination and should not be allowed. We've grown past such ridiculous statements.

[wolfishgirl]

Yes, but people are going to abuse it and put others down, so it's either let people voice their opinions about things, or take away all freedom of speech. That's the two choices
And this summer there was a HUGE debate over what the Chik-fil-a CEO said when he was asked about his views on gay marriage. He is a christian and said that he supports the biblical form of marriage. Do you think that was wrong for him to view his own opinion even though he said he was against gays?

[Woeler]

[quote="wolfishgirl"]Yes, but people are going to abuse it and put others down, so it's either let people voice their opinions about things, or take away all freedom of speech. That's the two choices
And this summer there was a HUGE debate over what the Chik-fil-a CEO said when he was asked about his views on gay marriage. He is a christian and said that he supports the biblical form of marriage. Do you think that was wrong for him to view his own opinion even though he said he was against gays?[/quote]
Ok let me get this straight. The CEO said he did not support gay marriage. That is something else than saying ''god hates fags''.

And no there are not only 2 options? How black and white are your views?
Discrimination, hatespeech and dangerous behavior should be punished. Have I taken away your freedom of speech? No. If you are a tolerant human being, with respect for others, who wants to live in a society, you should be more than fine with such laws.

Instead, everyone looks the other way when atheists, homosexuals, Hispanics are being hated. Not just ''viewed as weird'' but ''hated''. Not in all states of course, there are states which imo are really good and understand the concept of human rights, but many others don't.

[wolfishgirl]

Woeler, how about you become an AMERICAN CITIZEN before you decide to bash on our government, our rights, and our country?
you don't see me talking about how horrible the Netherlands is do you? No because i have no personal experience with your country. So how about you shut up about mine.

[Woeler]

[quote="wolfishgirl"]Woeler, how about you become an AMERICAN CITIZEN before you decide to bash on our government, our rights, and our country?[/quote]
Because I read the newspapers watch the news, follow history classes and politics, and read books. Do you have to be an African to see that it's poor? no.
[quote="wolfishgirl"]you don't see me talking about how horrible the Netherlands is do you? [/quote]
Be my guest.

[quote="wolfishgirl"]So how about you shut up about mine.[/quote]
Not in a million years, after all, according to your reasoning I have my freedom of speech. Which should, according to you, include hatespeech. But this isn't hating, this is criticizing. I have not posted anything vulgar or out of line.

[Tora]

I know this is quite late now, but what in God's green earth am I reading? Ridiculous. Taken way out of context and time period. Has this man read the bible? There is a reason for the New Testament. Jesus teaches us to not condemn and to forgive not to judge. We are not God; clearly.

The following depicts why this man is wrong. You don't have to read it or accept it; if your religion is otherwise pay no attention.

Jesus said in John 8:7 "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.'" He is teaching us not to judge someone on the things they have done, but rather forgive them and show them the light of God. God is to be the judge of a man who does not accept the gift of forgiveness given to man through Jesus.

He says in Romans 2:19 "And 'art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,'" He explains to us that we are the light for those who are blind; in other words he explains that we must reach out to those who are of the darkness or in today's terms who are ungodly. This does not mean to shove our beliefs down the throats of others. Be the light and set the example not force against their God-given free will.

This man's argument is invalid. He quotes the bible in a way that seems to represent what the bible says, but he refrains from the New Testament. In II Timothy Chapter 3:5 we can see the type of person he really is. "They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly..." It describes him very well. The power to forgive he rejects, the teachings of Jesus he rejects. You can't be a guide to the unholy if you kill them.

We cannot condemn every man for their sins or we ourselves should be put to death like them. There is not a sinless man among us therefore who are we to condemn the sinners? For if we condemn the sinners we must in turn condemn ourselves.

[DGFone]

It's the BIBLE get used to it, Tora. Like all religious books, religious men only pick and choose what supports their beliefs, and not the other way around.

The Bible teaches us to respect and let everyone live. The very same book tells us to kill everyone. Don't try to argue with an extremist. Just don't let them get into a position of power.

[Woeler]

You're cherry picking Tora. You search your way through the bible and find the occasional good bits and post them. You leave out all the horrible bits, and there are a lot of those. People don't read the bible as if it were made 2000 years ago. They read it literally. That is apart from the fact that the new testament was written by humans. Things like the virgin birth or original sin weren't even in the old testament. Nobody knows what the bible really means to say. It has been misinterpreted (or not) in many ways causing many deaths. It's not the worst book. I am currently reading the quran, it is terrifying.

Sin is a mythical term that keeps people afraid and makes them lie to themselves for a whole lifetime. That is a lot of pain. Ask a normal mixed group of adult people: who has sex on a regular basis? Most people will raise their hand, some people will even raise both hands. Ask that same question in a religious group and nobody will raise their hand. We know they are lying because more than 80% of healthy people have sex on a regular basis. Lying to yourself all your life, that's a lot of unnecessary pain. People only do it because apparently it is a sin. Sex is in our genes and instincts. So apparently there is a creator who creates us sick and then on the costs of death, suffering and misery orders us to be well again. I say that is evil.

And even if people only believe the good bits in the bible, it is still evil.
1. The human genome project by Francis Collins proved that the species human as they are today, have been walking the planet for at least 100.000 years. And if you're a monotheist you have to believe the following. For 98.000 years heaven watched us with indifference. Raping, killing, cannibalism, most people dying before they were 25. Then after 98.000 years they said ''well that's enough of that, it's time to intervene. Lets go to the desert and have another revelation there.''. They won't appear to the Chinese who can already read and write and study evidence, no they appear to the most illiterate part of the middle-east which also happens to have no oil at all.

2. Miss Fritzl in Austria. Her father locked her up for 24 years in his attic. Raping and assaulting her everyday. After that he did the same to the children that were the victims of previous assaults. 24 years... Imagine how she must have begged him, imagine how she must have pleaded, imagine how she must have prayed. Not one answer, not a single thing, nothing! God did watch it with indifference. And what does the bible say? It says ''Well that's ok because she'll get a better deal in another life''. I don't see how anyone can look another person in the face and claim that as ''moral''

It proves my point over and over again. Good people will always do good. Bad people will always do bad. But for good people to do and say wicked things you need religion. This is what you get when following a 2000 year old false ans probably fictional morality. Absolute morality is never a good thing.

If everyone would just read the bible and keep their beliefs to themselves there would be no problem at all. But as soon as these beliefs are affecting others or the government things start getting nasty.