Is Vitani Scar's daughter?

[DGFone]

[quote="Nicholas"]Nuka isn't Scar's son. On what evidence is your statement based? Just because Nuka looks like Scar, doesn't mean he really is Scar's son. Only in fanfiction can Nuka be Scar's son, or Vitani be Scar's daughter.[/quote]

The evidence is Nuka's distaste of Kovu, on the premise that Kovu is not even Scar's son. If you remember, Nuka was always angry at Kovu, wanting to also have a chance at glory (or just Zira's attention), made even more so because A: Nuka is older, and B: Kovu is not Scar's son. While it is never explicitly stated, I am sure that Nuka is meant to be Scar's son.

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote="DGFone"][quote="Nicholas"]Nuka isn't Scar's son. On what evidence is your statement based? Just because Nuka looks like Scar, doesn't mean he really is Scar's son. Only in fanfiction can Nuka be Scar's son, or Vitani be Scar's daughter.[/quote]

The evidence is Nuka's distaste of Kovu, on the premise that Kovu is not even Scar's son. If you remember, Nuka was always angry at Kovu, wanting to also have a chance at glory (or just Zira's attention), made even more so because A: Nuka is older, and B: Kovu is not Scar's son. While it is never explicitly stated, I am sure that Nuka is meant to be Scar's son.[/quote]

Then again, that is only your theory. Theories aren't facts. Also, Nuka didn't state that he is directly Scar's son, neither did Zira, or is it even confirmed by the creators. When he said that Kovu isn't even Scar's son, he could have also easily meant that he never got the chance to proof himself as Scar's heir, or getting his mother's attention. And besides, when Nuka died, Zira said Scar to watch over HER poor Nuka, and not THEIR.

So unless you get an confirmation from the movie creators and Walt Disney themselves that Nuka is Scar's son, you can't just assume that your theory confirms anything.

[TheBlackCatCrossing]

^I don't think Nuka is Scar's son either BUT I can see why someone would make that case. To me, it's more credible than Kovu/Vitani being his kids BUT since it's never explicitly stated I don't think Scar sired any of them. I have believed that for a long time. The way Zira looks up to Scar like a religious figure stands out to me. If she did indeed have his kids, she wouldn't be as fanatical. She would be secure. It always came across to me that she was happy getting Scar's attention (but would have liked something more). I can see Scar taking advantage of Zira's......obsessiveness.

[kiara_4_eva]

No, Zira has had vitani but scar is not the father. She clearly states in simba's pride when nuka dies "Scar watch over my poor Nuka" she didn't say "Scar watch over OUR poor Nuka"

[STARLlGHTS]

Zira and Scar are not parents of Vitani, and Kovu's parents are Tama and Vitani Chumvi! Kovu is nothing like Scar! Look:http://www.lionking.org/~timduru/tlk/sp/FanArt/WW/scar_n_kovu.jpg
he does not have the color of Scar, of him mane is brown and strong, the Scar is black! Now for Vitani:http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/24300000/Zira-Kovu-Vitani-and-Nuka-vitani-the-outlander-24341773-800-600.jpg
Vitani has no color of Zira, Nuka but is your child,then I not think Kovu and Vitani are the sons of Scar and Zira!

[DreamEater]

[quote]Then again, that is only your theory. Theories aren't facts. Also, Nuka didn't state that he is directly Scar's son, neither did Zira, or is it even confirmed by the creators. When he said that Kovu isn't even Scar's son, he could have also easily meant that he never got the chance to proof himself as Scar's heir, or getting his mother's attention. And besides, when Nuka died, Zira said Scar to watch over HER poor Nuka, and not THEIR.

So unless you get an confirmation from the movie creators and Walt Disney themselves that Nuka is Scar's son, you can't just assume that your theory confirms anything.[/quote]

Alright, the fact that Zira says HER instead of THEIR doesn't actually prove anything, as real parents always say things like that in real life, for instance, let me take a line from TLK 2 itself, after Kovu's banishment from the Pride Lands, after the "One of Us" scene, Simba says to Kiara "That's because your MY daughter" and in TLK 1, even though Mufasa responds with saying "Until sunrise, he's your son" Sarabi says "YOUR son is awake" I know there are allot more examples than that I just can't think of any more right now, and I'm sick and tired of hearing that lousy excuse of yours.

Also, you always complain to people saying "You're theories are invalid" and a bunch of junk like that, and you state if yourself that you have no ACTUAL proof of this 'fact' of yours about Nuka not being Scar's son, so what makes it that you're right and everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong? If none of us have any proof that Nuka or Vitani or actually Scar's children, than none of us can say anything about it, it's only fair that way.

I don't mean to be rude to you, I'm really not fond of arguing myself, I just need to make my point clear so at least someone understands what I'm talking about.

[Carl]

Vitani and Kovu can't be Scar's children because if they were, they'd be bigger than Kiara. As for Nuka, that's anyone's guess.

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote]Alright, the fact that Zira says HER instead of THEIR doesn't actually prove anything, as real parents always say things like that in real life, for instance, let me take a line from TLK 2 itself, after Kovu's banishment from the Pride Lands, after the "One of Us" scene, Simba says to Kiara "That's because your MY daughter" and in TLK 1, even though Mufasa responds with saying "Until sunrise, he's your son" Sarabi says "YOUR son is awake"[/quote]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but still there isn't one piece of evidence that proves as a fact that Scar is Vitani and Nuka's father. Did the creators confirmed this? No, they didn't. Did Nuka and Vitani call Scar their father? Nope, they just call him ''Scar''. However, you can still see that Simba called Mufasa his father and Kiara called Simba her father while Vitani and Nuka didn't. And just to make it clear once more: They simply weren't intended to be Scar's kids in the storyline. If they were, then we would certainly hear about it besides only from meaningless fanfictions.

[quote]I know there are allot more examples than that I just can't think of any more right now, and I'm sick and tired of hearing that lousy excuse of yours.[/quote]

1. You actually cannot ''hear'' me, as I am only typing.
2. You are not even forced to read my posts, let alone throw a temper tantrum over them.
3. If you are in a bad mood, don't take it out on someone in a Lion King forum.
4. So-called ''excuses'' that back up facts about a movie are not excuses, but your attempts to connect fanfiction with original storyline are. And poor ones, I must say.

[quote]Also, you always complain to people saying "You're theories are invalid" and a bunch of junk like that, and you state if yourself that you have no ACTUAL proof of this 'fact' of yours about Nuka not being Scar's son, so what makes it that you're right and everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong? If none of us have any proof that Nuka or Vitani or actually Scar's children, than none of us can say anything about it, it's only fair that way.[/quote]

I actually don't need any proof, because like I said it isn't confirmed by Walt Disney or the TLK creators that Nuka and Vitani are scar's children. Is it not enough to you yet that they can be Scar's kids in fanfictions? Seriously, stop linking fanfiction and movie together and get over it. Or don't...

[ScarsLove]

[quote="Nicholas"][quote]Alright, the fact that Zira says HER instead of THEIR doesn't actually prove anything, as real parents always say things like that in real life, for instance, let me take a line from TLK 2 itself, after Kovu's banishment from the Pride Lands, after the "One of Us" scene, Simba says to Kiara "That's because your MY daughter" and in TLK 1, even though Mufasa responds with saying "Until sunrise, he's your son" Sarabi says "YOUR son is awake"[/quote]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but still there isn't one piece of evidence that proves as a fact that Scar is Vitani and Nuka's father. Did the creators confirmed this? No, they didn't. Did Nuka and Vitani call Scar their father? Nope, they just call him ''Scar''. However, you can still see that Simba called Mufasa his father and Kiara called Simba her father while Vitani and Nuka didn't. And just to make it clear once more: They simply weren't intended to be Scar's kids in the storyline. If they were, then we would certainly hear about it besides only from meaningless fanfictions.

[quote]I know there are allot more examples than that I just can't think of any more right now, and I'm sick and tired of hearing that lousy excuse of yours.[/quote]

1. You actually cannot ''hear'' me, as I am only typing.
2. You are not even forced to read my posts, let alone throw a temper tantrum over them.
3. If you are in a bad mood, don't take it out on someone in a Lion King forum.
4. So-called ''excuses'' that back up facts about a movie are not excuses, but your attempts to connect fanfiction with original storyline are. And poor ones, I must say.

[quote]Also, you always complain to people saying "You're theories are invalid" and a bunch of junk like that, and you state if yourself that you have no ACTUAL proof of this 'fact' of yours about Nuka not being Scar's son, so what makes it that you're right and everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong? If none of us have any proof that Nuka or Vitani or actually Scar's children, than none of us can say anything about it, it's only fair that way.[/quote]

I actually don't need any proof, because like I said it isn't confirmed by Walt Disney or the TLK creators that Nuka and Vitani are scar's children. Is it not enough to you yet that they can be Scar's kids in fanfictions? Seriously, stop linking fanfiction and movie together and get over it. Or don't...[/quote]

I gotta agree with Nicholas here. While fans will always have their theories based on whom is related to whom and who did what to who, they aren't facts. It's just simple fan theory and while I have my own theories. ( Like my self canon, I believe Nuka is Scar's son ) It's just that. A theory, your own idea of what really happened in between the TLK time gaps or who sired who.

Fanfiction =/= Canon
Fanfiction =/= Semi-canon
Fanfiction = Fanon

Fanon is just fanon, it will never be canon. We can't go around basing our opinions and throwing them around, claiming them as fact. We can accept them as fact to ourselves or those who choose to believe in whatever theory they wish. But it doesn't make it fact in the lives of everyone else. People will always have different opinions and theories in the TLK verse and honestly, it makes it a whole lot more interesting. Just thinking of the unlimited what-if scenarios that didn't happen in the movies, books, comics, etc makes me want to write a bunch of fanfics about it

But getting back to the point, fanon is fanon, self canon is self canon, canon is canon. The movie directors didn't bother telling us the lineage of Nuka, Vitani and Kovu. Except for telling us that Zira is the mother of all three. ( Which can also be up for debate considering the theories. ) It didn't matter at the time because the movie centers around Kiara Kovu and their story. It's nothing to start a war over, debate maybe but not a war.

( Sorry for getting mixed up in stuff. I guess I have a way of poking my nose where it shouldn't. )

[SlayerOfLight]

^ Glad you at least understand. Some people need to learn the diffrence between fanfictions, theories, and facts.