"Ghost" stories?

[Woeler]

[quote="Nicholas"]well, thats were I disagree a bit if you don't mind I just hate the thought if I watch a sad movie or documentary about the Jewish holocaust and concentration camps, that Hitler is right now partying in heaven with all his Nazi's. I also can't imagine that.

In my opinion, I think life is just a seed. and only when we die will we see if our seeds have grown into good fruits or bad fruits. Also, if there is no hell but only heaven, does that mean that we can do as many bad things as we want such as killing, stealing, without fearing to face consequences? that's why I believe there is also a hell, so there will be a balance and justice for everyone.[/quote]

It does not matter at all. Does the thought that Hitler is in hell satisfy you? Does that take away the fact that he killed millions of people? The man outsmarted us all, all those millions. He did the damage and then he died, he won. We either accept that or we put him in imaginary places like hell. Thinking that he is in hell somehow satisfies people. In life there is no retribution and there are no ultimate consequences.

if spirits really exist, all souls are equal and yes, that means that your soul is equal to the soul of Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and mine. If true, all souls are born equal and will die equal and this life would be no more than an in between passage.

I'd rather believe this is not ''just a challenge''

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote="Woeler1"][quote="Nicholas"]well, thats were I disagree a bit if you don't mind I just hate the thought if I watch a sad movie or documentary about the Jewish holocaust and concentration camps, that Hitler is right now partying in heaven with all his Nazi's. I also can't imagine that.

In my opinion, I think life is just a seed. and only when we die will we see if our seeds have grown into good fruits or bad fruits. Also, if there is no hell but only heaven, does that mean that we can do as many bad things as we want such as killing, stealing, without fearing to face consequences? that's why I believe there is also a hell, so there will be a balance and justice for everyone.[/quote]

It does not matter at all. Does the thought that Hitler is in hell satisfy you? Does that take away the fact that he killed millions of people? The man outsmarted us all, all those millions. He did the damage and then he died, he won. We either accept that or we put him in imaginary places like hell. Thinking that he is in hell somehow satisfies people. In life there is no retribution and there are no ultimate consequences.

if spirits really exist, all souls are equal and yes, that means that your soul is equal to the soul of Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and mine. If true, all souls are born equal and will die equal and this life would be no more than an in between passage.

I'd rather believe this is not ''just a challenge''[/quote]

It doesn't satisfy me if someone goes to hell, if hell would be real. I just can't imagine hitler in heaven, and as well murderers and pedophiles in heaven like in Arani's opinion. Also, I thought you didn't believe we have souls.

[Miharuka]

Nobody deserves to be in hell..
The bible says that everyone who does not believe in god goes to hell, right? No matter how good they are.
So people don't need to be ''evil'' to go to hell. (As long you regret your doings as a evil person and you believe in god you still have a chance to get in heaven.)
At least that's what I've been told.

We are all humans. We do a lot of things wrong and also do things right. Some people just take it far in doing things wrong and they don't realise their doings. You don't know the past of most persons who have done horrible things and you don't know what has been going on in their heads either. To me, every human deserves to end up in heaven. Altough I believe not everyone ends up in heaven at all. I believe in hell and people that end up there.

[Woeler]

[quote="Nicholas"]

It doesn't satisfy me if someone goes to hell, if hell would be real. I just can't imagine hitler in heaven, and as well murderers and pedophiles in heaven like in Arani's opinion. Also, I thought you didn't believe we have souls. [/quote]

I absolutely don't believe we have souls or any other paranormal stuff. But seriously, placing someone in hell does not make them pay for what they have done. It does not make it right and it does not satisfy survivors or familymembers of victims.

Like I said, there is no retribution in life.

[Arani]

In short: I do not believe in hell or evil spirits or demons or anything like that really. I mean maybe there are but I don't think there are. Everyone has a reason for doing bad things, and their punishment is living knowing you did terrible things for eternity.

[SlayerOfLight]

^ I dont think there is any reason to trust or believe spirits are completely harmless and non-evil. let me give you an example. my friend used to know someone who can speak to spirits, and my friend deceided to put that spiritist on the test and see what happens. so he said that he has a cousin that has died, and he wants to know if he's in heaven. the spiritist told my friend that she saw his cousin in heaven. which is impossible... because my friend doesnt have a cousin that died.

I think these ghosts or spirits are often lying and deceiving mankind in such way, whitout showing their true demonic nature.

[Woeler]

[quote="Nicholas"]^ I dont think there is any reason to trust or believe spirits are completely harmless and non-evil. let me give you an example. my friend used to know someone who can speak to spirits, and my friend deceided to put that spiritist on the test and see what happens. so he said that he has a cousin that has died, and he wants to know if he's in heaven. the spiritist told my friend that she saw his cousin in heaven. which is impossible... because my friend doesnt have a cousin that died.

I think these ghosts or spirits are often lying and deceiving mankind in such way, whitout showing their true demonic nature.[/quote]

That does not prove that spirits are evil. That proves that this spiritsts or whatever you call it, is fake. Lying about dead family members to people. Really, those people deserve no respect at all.

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote="Woeler1"][quote="Nicholas"]^ I dont think there is any reason to trust or believe spirits are completely harmless and non-evil. let me give you an example. my friend used to know someone who can speak to spirits, and my friend deceided to put that spiritist on the test and see what happens. so he said that he has a cousin that has died, and he wants to know if he's in heaven. the spiritist told my friend that she saw his cousin in heaven. which is impossible... because my friend doesnt have a cousin that died.

I think these ghosts or spirits are often lying and deceiving mankind in such way, whitout showing their true demonic nature.[/quote]

That does not prove that spirits are evil. That proves that this spiritsts or whatever you call it, is fake. Lying about dead family members to people. Really, those people deserve no respect at all.[/quote]

yea perhaps you are right about that, she could've possibly been a liar. why? because she even said that she saw jesus and he bowed to her. that even goes TOO far with me. Oh well, good thing my friend exposed her then.