Sleep paralysis?

[SlayerOfLight]

Well, I dont think science has any right to declare everything a hallucination, especially the many type of experiences from others. the doctrines of men claim everything which is an abomination to science as ''fake'' or ''hallucination''. sure there are theories with evidence. But that doesn't mean scientists have the right to simply draw a quick solution like: YOU'RE HALLUCINATING! I think people who have been through many paranormal stuff know better about their own experience then others. I'm not saying a thing like hallucinations don't excist. but there are limits as well for things that are hallucinations or not. If most sleep paralysis experiences are hallucinations, then I dont understand why almost everyone describes feeling, hearing, and seeing the same things. And I also never said animals which predict disasters are supernatural though. Let's assume it's their instinct, something we also have.

[SlayerOfLight]

But why are all SP's described as negative, and never described as feeling something positive? hallucinations are random and it's unlikely that everyone has the same hallucination all over and over again. Besides, there are alot of people who sleep with a dog and/or cat in their room, and during a SP their pets start behaving weird as well, as if they can also feel it. So, can't there just be more behind then only a simple brain malfuction? There are many other things besides sleep paralysis. What would YOU say to me if I for example say that me and my best friend both had been communicating with angelic beings at the same time? If I would be telling the truth, it means it wouldn't be a hallucination concidering someone else has experienced it as well.

[SlayerOfLight]

''I explained that already so I dfon't see why you ask the same question again''

well, sorry but then I don't see anything in the answer you already gave me, that all minds work the same. yes our minds work the same, but still not everyone would have the same hallucination.

''About pet's. please give me a report and a link on that. I can't argue if I don't have any info, and I highly doubt this ever happened.''

I dont think a link would be enough for you XD because even if it included weird pet behavior during SP, you could still say there is no evidence because that person could've made it up. But I've read many of these types on sites such as yourghoststories and many other sites like that.

''About the angels, it will simply not happen as it is not part of sleep paralysis. There is always the pressing down feeling or the out of body feeling. Every human minds experiences the same basic elements, but with a little change here and there which correspond to recent happenings in their lives''

yes I know it's not part of the sleep paralysis because they are always negative experiences. But I was refering to other paranormal encounters which wouldn't be easily explained with hallucinations.

[WildSimba]

''I explained that already so I dfon't see why you ask the same question again''

well, sorry but then I don't see anything in the answer you already gave me, that all minds work the same. yes our minds work the same, but still not everyone would have the same hallucination.

''About pet's. please give me a report and a link on that. I can't argue if I don't have any info, and I highly doubt this ever happened.''

I dont think a link would be enough for you XD because even if it included weird pet behavior during SP, you could still say there is no evidence because that person could've made it up. But I've read many of these types on sites such as yourghoststories and many other sites like that.

''About the angels, it will simply not happen as it is not part of sleep paralysis. There is always the pressing down feeling or the out of body feeling. Every human minds experiences the same basic elements, but with a little change here and there which correspond to recent happenings in their lives''

yes I know it's not part of the sleep paralysis because they are always negative experiences. But I was refering to other paranormal encounters which wouldn't be easily explained with hallucinations.

What do other paranormal experiences have to do with this topic, though? There's a reason why lucid dreaming can send you into Sleep Paralysis. Your trying to force your mind into being able to realize your in a dream. If you do it wrong, and become too aware, you'll go into paralysis. Sleep Paralysis, IS OFFICIALLY, where your body is still asleep, but your mind is fully aware. Also, I'd like proof of that pet thing, as well.

[nathalie]

I think both of you make some good points, from everyone's personal perspective and opinions that is.

I'm afraid I can't really get into the discussion, as I have never really looked anything about it.

But it sure felt real enough, but I have never said since it happened that it was indeed 100 % real.
(in my case)

[SlayerOfLight]

@Woeler the typical hallucinations caused by drugs and etc are diffrent. I know what hallucinations are. I've known 2 guys at school who used LSD pills and both of them described diffrent type of hallucinations, such as seeing everything blurry, and all sort of things that dont make sense. these are hallucinations. but the events during sleep paralysis are described as horrific. way beyond hallucinations. I understand that hallucinations do occur, but it makes no sense that all so-called hallucinations caused by sleep paralysis are the same, and people always report the exact same feelings as if literally something evil is present in their room, and as well seeing shadow-like entities. I just believe there is a spiritual solution behind it as well, besides only a scientific solution.

@wildsimba sleep paralysis doesn't only have to occur because of lucid dreaming. it can happen to normal people who don't have lucid dreams or got nothing wrong with them.

[SlayerOfLight]

@woeler hallucinations caused by drugs also occur in the same way. but still the hallucinations are described diffrently. if all sleep paraylsis cases are hallucinations, then it still would have indeed the same effect. but the visions caused by the hallucination wouldn't just be all the same, but more based on someone's fantasy. almost everyone tells how they feel something evil, or an evil spirit sitting on them, but never odd things such as fairies, dragons, goblins which would be more likely in a hallucination. There also alot of people, even one of my best friends, who claim to have seen things such as shadow-ghosts during the day besides only during a sleep paralysis. there have even been captured blurry images of shadow-like entities all over the internet. so my guess is that these shadow-things which are seen during sleep paralysis by many, are real.

[SlayerOfLight]

@woeler well, you believe it's just a hallucination, which in some cases are. but I think there are also demonic attacks. and I don't need science to prove to me that it isn't real, because I don't listen to the doctrines of men only. of course I'm open to them, but that doesn't mean I accept all of it. Many people who have been through horrific cases of sleep paralysis, always tell about an evil dark figure, more blacker then black, with a pure-evil sphere arround it. the things people have been through, can't be hallucinations for me, these are like pictures that come out of the book. while hallucinations are the pictures that REMAIN in the book because they aren't real. I think scientists, need to open up a little and think more ''out of the box'' instead of trying to proof everything they dont believe in, as hallucinations.

[SlayerOfLight]

@woeler well, even the things based on pure belief must have at least some source of truth in it. there are no more atheists then there are people who believe in demons. and not everything from science is a fact, they are mostly theories with supporting evidence, (thats why many call them facts) but never can they be 100% certain.

being an atheist is probally one of the easiest things on earth. why? because the media, television, and even local schools have force-fed us with their doctrines all our lives, while the supernatural doesn't and occurs behind the curtain where scientists and atheist have carved a mark that says: ''halt''.

dont get me wrong though, this is just the way I think.

[SlayerOfLight]

@woeler who says believing is easy? it has NEVER been easy at all, and it still isn't. And what differs you from me is that you listen to others who conclude facts, and I draw my own conclusions based on my OWN life-experience. I used to believe all those scientific things for like 16 years. I still do a little bit, but I gave most scientific theories like evolution up because I simply dont feel everything is true in it. my own life-experience tells me there is more then science. And like I said before, I don't judge the WHOLE science. maybe they have some source of truth at many things, and as well discovered many things. but I CAN'T agree with you on everything.

and I dont wanna go off-topic and turn this debate into a ''does god excist'' type of forum because I dont wanna have this forum locked yet. If you are mad, (which dissapoints me a bit) be free to discuss your anger issues with me through pm or something, but not here please.