Groups!

[WildSimba]

I mean, do I really need to have someone else to decide I'm a good enough writer to join a group for it?

^ this

[Tabby]

I mean, do I really need to have someone else to decide I'm a good enough writer to join a group for it?

I think the real point of this is to end with those who just join in a group because of the colour, or just to make them join the gropups of the thing they do better, I mean, it loses the point of I go and get a pink name because of the colour and never contribute to the wiki... things like that, right?

[Arani]

^ What AZ said.

Seriously, if the "Leaders" are deciding who joins a group and who doesn't, then if someone doesn't get into the group they wanted they'll feel left out or whatever. That's a great way to start arguments if you ask me. I like the idea in general, but I'd rather the groups just be open for anyone, but you can only be in one group at a time. Also, if the leaders can decide to kick someone, they can kick people because they didn't like them or something. I think that only the Moderators should kick people from groups, and they better have a very good reason for it too. Maybe the mods should run the groups the whole time instead of electing group leaders from everyone on the board?

[Moka]

Group leaders would only kick someone out if they weren't active in the activity of their group. Leaders can't just deny someone because they think they are bad at writing. In fact, the point of the groups is for people who want improvement to join and have a community and a domain expert (the group leader) to go to for questions in that group's activity.

We don't want moderators running the group because many members are more talented in certain activities than our moderators. They would be way better suited to help members progress their skills in that group's activity.

Any elected member would certainly take leadership seriously. Gotta have a little confidence in your fellow members.

[DGFone]

^ I have to say that I am starting to doubt the whole "group" idea.

This is primarily due to the MLK gaming clan group starting, and is actually proving to be more painful than is worth it. You must be invited into the group, it's run by others, has a ridiculous structure, and all that just so that MLK member can play video games with each other?

As of now, I like the older system better where you can join whichever group you want (like RP or fan-fic writer) with the only closed groups really being the moderators. This makes sense. The video games group... not so much.

If the video games group is a show-case, then I have to say that I would like to see groups not being implemented into MLK.

[Moka]

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The gaming group is separate from the ones being discussed in this topic. I doubt the gaming group will have an elected group as it is structured differently.

[DGFone]

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The gaming group is separate from the ones being discussed in this topic. I doubt the gaming group will have an elected group as it is structured differently.

Then why is it called the MLK Gaming Group? But I still want to point out what I said in my previous post. What's with all that organizational bureaucracy just to play games together? Can't we simply have a topic to post our gaming info on? You know, like we did? viewtopic.php?f=158&t=12866

[Moka]

These are the groups this topic is concerned with: Fan Artists, Fanfic Writers, Graphic Designers, Role Players, Wiki Editors.

The gaming group was made for active gamers to play together as a sort of clan. We already have members who are interested. If you're gonna play with more than 4 members at a time you're gonna need the organizational bureaucracy to schedule dates and times that work for members.

If you're more of a casual gamer, then that topic works fine for you.

[DGFone]

Ah, I get it now. But I have to say this then: the whole point of the groups is to get members more active in them. So say you are in the RP group, it's to make creating new RPs easier, and even to just talk about the RP process. But what's so different then now, where you simply create such a topic in the appropriate subsection? is it to somehow get more advertisement for members who don't go to other sections? (Seems more counter-productive to me then).

[FlipMode]

I mean, do I really need to have someone else to decide I'm a good enough writer to join a group for it?

^ this

IF you pick a decent and fair leader for the group, he/she is going to accept you as long as you are actually a fan fic writer, its not really based on skill. We are letting ALL gamers into the gaming group who want to game at pre scheduled times and dates so everyone can be on at the same time etc... I mean, if that one is not based on skill, I doubt the other groups would be.

You must be invited into the group, it's run by others, has a ridiculous structure

What the hell? It is a group with scheduled events, and that = a ridiculous structure? o.0 To be fair, this is why other group forums are not open yet, we weren't really finished setting it up and it was opened in a rush. But as Moka said, its a completely separate group to the others.

Ah, I get it now. But I have to say this then: the whole point of the groups is to get members more active in them. So say you are in the RP group, it's to make creating new RPs easier, and even to just talk about the RP process. But what's so different then now, where you simply create such a topic in the appropriate subsection? is it to somehow get more advertisement for members who don't go to other sections? (Seems more counter-productive to me then).

No. Literally the only thing user groups currently do is show that a member is a (for example fan fic writer). Or in the case of Wiki editors, to show they like pink names. Anyways, that is all they do, just let you know that member apparently does that activity more than he/she does others.

With the new groups thing, you get a proper section to discuss with other fan fiction writers, your new story idea, get feedback from them first, make amendments etc. Then, you could improve on it before entering it into the public forum.

I mean threads like these -
viewtopic.php?f=101&t=21567
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10406 and other tutorial threads from the graphics section
viewtopic.php?f=100&p=631924#p631924

Those are the kind of threads that would work better in the actual groups forum, not out in the public. So take that thread where I looked for a PRP buddy, hypothetically speaking anyone could have seen that, who does not even RP at all and gone "Flip! He sure is a guy!" and PMed me to join up. But having it in the forum, means that only people who actually do role play would reply to it, ya see? =)

EDIT cause I have moar to say "Finished, I aint."

Remember this is the staff ASKING FOR OUR FEEDBACK guise, but this is a trial and error type thing, if it does not work out well there is nothing to say that we cant got back to the old system later.

LoL and then we can elect a leader for the new admin group... Now that would be interesting lol!

Problem is, how are we gonna promote them when they get elected?

ANARCHY!

1. Members vote for FlipMode to be the new admin
2. Moka promotes me
3. ???
4. PROFIT!