Yet Another SP Theory.

[TheLionQueen]

This is my theory to the "Outlanders in the Outlands" thing.
This is my personal theory and if your against Kopa, No bashing or flaming.
When Zira killed Kopa, Simba as the king had to think of a punishment, so the punishment is little food and water in the outlands. In Simba's mind the outlands is a good place to watch them and make sure they don't get away with it. Zira and the lioness's had to get on the pridelands every once and a while anyway it's impossible for them to live merely on field mice. So you all know that qoute, "Keep your loved ones close and your enemy's closer." Well there's the definition of that quote for SP

[Noah]

[quote="TheLionQueen"]This is my theory to the "Outlanders in the Outlands" thing.
This is my personal theory and if your against Kopa, No bashing or flaming.
When Zira killed Kopa, Simba as the king had to think of a punishment, so the punishment is little food and water in the outlands. In Simba's mind the outlands is a good place to watch them and make sure they don't get away with it. Zira and the lioness's had to get on the pridelands every once and a while anyway it's impossible for them to live merely on field mice. So you all know that qoute, "Keep your loved ones close and your enemy's closer." Well there's the definition of that quote for SP[/quote]

I like that theory except for the dead child part, but I'm picking on you personally, I know lots of people believe that. I just don't think its fair for Simba (having had his father murdered in front of him and having been exiled for years) to lose a child. Studies show that is the worst kind of pain imaginable. And what about Nala? The poor thing!

[Regulus]

^ Nala is actually the reason why I don't buy that theory.

It explains Simba's over protectiveness, but Nala would have been the same way if Kopa had died.

[Noah]

^ I'm just one of those people who likes to think Simba had nothing smooth sailing for the rest of his life. Goodness knows he deserves it.

[TheLionPrince]

Yeah, I was always wondering why the Outsiders didn't leave the Outlands for a better quality of life. But here's my suggestion: Zira needed to know what has happening in the Pride Lands, so she can know when to make her move for Kovu to infilitrate the Pride Lands.

To back this up, Zira needed to know that Simba was allowing Kiara to go on her first hunt so she can have Vitani and Nuka put her in danger so Kovu can rescue her, and enter Simba's pride, as shown in the movie. If Zira and the Outsiders were away somewhere, they would have missed that opportunity.

Finally, I don't think if the Outsiders went away somewhere, Kovu wouldn't be recognized by the Pridelanders and accepted as a "rogue" because Kiara would have recognized him, since he is the only dark-skinned lion she knew from her past.

[KentuckyWildcat]

This question really depends on which frame of reference you are using. Honestly, it doesn't make too much sense for the Outsiders to stay so close to Simba immeadiately following their banishment. They could perhaps find better living conditions and train Kovu out of sight and possibly even out of mind. Remember, Kiara had very little to do with Zira's plan until her chance encounter with Kovu as a cub.

If you're talking about after Kiara and Kovu's chance encounter, then it makes sense for reasons others have already mentioned like the opportunities for spying.

[Noah]

[quote="BloodshadeLioness"]Why couldn't the outsiders just move their pride somewhere that had a good supply of food and water? Yeah, Zira wants revenge so she wants to stay closer to Simba, but I would think the other lionesses might want to move to more suitable conditions[/quote]
To me, making Zira insane to the point where her decisions are irrational would improve the plot and moral of the story. Zira could be blinded by her hatred for Simba to the point where she doesn't act in the best interests of her pride. The other lionesses may want to move away to a better place but Zira doesn't want to let go of the past. Then at the end of the movie, instead of everyone living in harmony, the other rogue lionesses could go to where they originally wanted, with Kovu staying behind and Vitani becoming the leader in place of her mother.

[quote="KentuckyWildcat"]Honestly, it doesn't make too much sense for the Outsiders to stay so close to Simba immeadiately following their banishment. They could perhaps find better living conditions and train Kovu out of sight and possibly even out of mind.[/quote]
Same thing here. She won't listen to reason or her fellow pridemembers. She had it in her stubborn mind that she was wronged and she won't rest until she has gotten her "pound of flesh". If the writers had had just a little more talent, they could have easily written out most of the plot holes and WTF moments by simply blaming it on Zira's fragile state of mind.

[Pocahontas]

I personally see no way that Zira could have loved Scar in the first place, he show's no compassion or affection in the orginal, certainly not the ladies man, and he seems very ticked at all the lioness for not hunting near the end. Anyone else wondering if Zira just fantasized the whole relationship with Scar, and he only had cubs with her to have a heir? This question baffles me.

[cleargreenwater]

EDIT: Pocahontas, yeah that's always been my feeling, too.

[quote="Noah"] It explains Simba's over protectiveness, but Nala would have been the same way if Kopa had diedI like that theory except for the dead child part, but I'm picking on you personally, I know lots of people believe that. I just don't think its fair for Simba (having had his father murdered in front of him and having been exiled for years) to lose a child. Studies show that is the worst kind of pain imaginable. And what about Nala? The poor thing! [/quote]

[quote="Regulus"]^ Nala is actually the reason why I don't buy that theory.[/quote]

Not a part of this topic, but just wanted to say I found both of these inputs so compelling that I have changed my opinion.

I had always just sort of taken it for granted that Zira killed Kopa & got exiled because...I'm not a fan of SP & rather than actually think too hard on it I'd rather just accept whatever melodramatic stuff comes standard with it.

But I really like Kopa as a character, so much more than Kiara.

And as I get older I'm much more sensitive to even fake/fictional trauma, and finding out that a co-worker had lost a son at 2 years old has really made me think harder about being flippant.

So FWIW even though this isn't the correct topic I got a lot out of this exchange and revisited things that I have a much more grounded appreciation of now than when I first dismissed it as "solved". Thank you for making my version of standard events that much more reasonable.

[beelee1988]

[quote="Noah"][quote="BloodshadeLioness"]Why couldn't the outsiders just move their pride somewhere that had a good supply of food and water? Yeah, Zira wants revenge so she wants to stay closer to Simba, but I would think the other lionesses might want to move to more suitable conditions[/quote]
To me, making Zira insane to the point where her decisions are irrational would improve the plot and moral of the story. Zira could be blinded by her hatred for Simba to the point where she doesn't act in the best interests of her pride. The other lionesses may want to move away to a better place but Zira doesn't want to let go of the past. Then at the end of the movie, instead of everyone living in harmony, the other rogue lionesses could go to where they originally wanted, with Kovu staying behind and Vitani becoming the leader in place of her mother.

[quote="KentuckyWildcat"]Honestly, it doesn't make too much sense for the Outsiders to stay so close to Simba immeadiately following their banishment. They could perhaps find better living conditions and train Kovu out of sight and possibly even out of mind.[/quote]
Same thing here. She won't listen to reason or her fellow pridemembers. She had it in her stubborn mind that she was wronged and she won't rest until she has gotten her "pound of flesh". If the writers had had just a little more talent, they could have easily written out most of the plot holes and WTF moments by simply blaming it on Zira's fragile state of mind.[/quote]

Maybe Zira got her little attitude and stubbornness from Scar O.o Lol. Scar was too stubborn to take his "pride" to better more bountiful lands too. So stubborn to the point where he hurt poor Sarabi for suggesting they leave the Pridelands to freaking STAY ALIVE!!! Stupid Scar

Long story short I agree with you lol.