Why I`m not that moved by Mufasa`s death.

[Misiziri]

*unsubsribes thread* Changed opinion, no longer care. The parent death formula in general just doesn't have so much of an impact on me anymore because of it's overuse

[Misiziri]

Sorry for double post, but how do I not have a topic show up in my posts anymore?

[KingKivuli]

I should mention also that even though it wasn't shown, you still get the sense that there still IS a strong bond between both Simba and Sarabi, just cause you don't see it don't mean it isn't there. She was still really down about hearing his 'death', Nala even states 'What will your mother think?' That shows she cared and must have at some point spilled her feelings out to Nala or even a bunch of the lionesses. You can even see the joy in her face when he returns, almost like not only has her son come back but her life is now so much better (or will be after this epic battle)

also cherish im not really sure you can stop it short of closing the entire thread and letting it drop out, or having all your post specifically deleted

[Flowertall]

I never said that this movie tries to tell us that Simba loved his father more than his mother. But it certainly does FOCUS on the father/son relationship. As someone mentioned, actually I never thought about it, why couldn`t Sarabi be up there with Muffy and Simba during the "everything the light touches, is our kingdom" scene? I really don`t see why that should be only for the king to explain.

And after Mufasa has rebuked Simba about going to the elephant graveyard, when Simba starts chasing Muffy, you can just listen to the music in the background. They`re telling us with that music that this is something really special. Something we never get the same vibe from as from scenes with Sarabi and Simba.

[Woeler]

It does not have a great impact on me. I think the most moving scene is when Simba looks at the stars an sais " you said you'd always be there for me, but you're not...". When Simba cries (at Mufasa's death) it gets me a little because I don't know what I'd do without my dad.

[FlipMode]

[quote="Cherish"]*unsubsribes thread* Changed opinion, no longer care. The parent death formula in general just doesn't have so much of an impact on me anymore because of it's overuse :/[/quote]

Yeah now it is overused, but it was not so much at the time, especially in animated movies and certainly not in animated kids movies. This is why The Lion King was so successful, because the creators of the film realised that the money is in making something that will appeal to all ages and genders in a family and not just the children. It was a bit of a risky move at the time, I mean IMO if The Lion King released tomorrow for the first time, it would not be nearly as successful.

And yeah I am not sure if I posted this before, but here it goes - I wouldn't say I was "moved" by Mufasa dying but it was something I can relate to at least.

[KingKivuli]

[quote="Flowertall"]I never said that this movie tries to tell us that Simba loved his father more than his mother. But it certainly does FOCUS on the father/son relationship. As someone mentioned, actually I never thought about it, why couldn`t Sarabi be up there with Muffy and Simba during the "everything the light touches, is our kingdom" scene? I really don`t see why that should be only for the king to explain.

And after Mufasa has rebuked Simba about going to the elephant graveyard, when Simba starts chasing Muffy, you can just listen to the music in the background. They`re telling us with that music that this is something really special. Something we never get the same vibe from as from scenes with Sarabi and Simba.[/quote]

again I understand what you say completely. however as regards to that scene, you gotta look at it from a real lion pride point of view, the cubs irl learn from the fathers not the mothers its a natural male run society, both in and out of film. Also yet again, scenes with Simba/Sarabi? Simba looked pretty angry and Scar hitting his mother and rushing to her side first. Disney could have killed off Sarabi but why? SImba's only living, caring relative, its something more people can relate to in the real world rather than your whole family is just dead

Also once again, Im more than positive there was plenty behind the scenes we never see in both films and in-between them. With Mufasa gone who taught Simba how to rule effectively? Who better than the last queen his own mother? In most fanfics/stories during later times that show Sarabi, she is seen in this mystic powerful light, someone you can come to for advice or help no matter what. That influence had to come from somewhere, a whole bunch of fans can not of come up with the same conclusion for such an amazing lioness

[Regulus]

Of course it focuses on the father/son relationship. It's called the lion king, not the lion queen. The whole movie is about Simba's struggle to reclaim his position as king. Think of it this way. Mufasa's death wasn't sad because of the father/son relationship. It was sad because the leader died and his son was exiled. Look what happened to the pridelands after Mufasa died. While Simba probably would have been equally upset at Sarabi's death, if Sarabi died not much would change.

Of course, my point of view on this is quite biased. The whole father/son theme is one thing I really like about TLK. When I was younger I was very close to my father too. About four years ago, my dad got a huge promotion, and things haven't been the same since. We hardly ever spend time together anymore. Heck, he spent the whole last year in a foreign country on the other side of the world. TLK reminds me of all the good times we've had together. That's not to say I don't like my mother, in fact it has made me closer to my mom, but my father's absence in the past few years has really affected me in ways I don't even fully understand.

[Ophelia]

[quote="Regulus"]Of course it focuses on the father/son relationship. It's called the lion king, not the lion queen. The whole movie is about Simba's struggle to reclaim his position as king. Think of it this way. Mufasa's death wasn't sad because of the father/son relationship. It was sad because the leader died and his son was exiled. Look what happened to the pridelands after Mufasa died. While Simba probably would have been equally upset at Sarabi's death, if Sarabi died not much would change.

Of course, my point of view on this is quite biased. The whole father/son theme is one thing I really like about TLK. When I was younger I was very close to my father too. About four years ago, my dad got a huge promotion, and things haven't been the same since. We hardly ever spend time together anymore. Heck, he spent the whole last year in a foreign country on the other side of the world. TLK reminds me of all the good times we've had together. That's not to say I don't like my mother, in fact it has made me closer to my mom, but my father's absence in the past few years has really affected me in ways I don't even fully understand.[/quote]

Right, that's what I was saying in my post - that it's all individual. Some people grow up without mothers; some without fathers; some with both who they're equally close to; some who are just closer to their fathers; some are simply closer to their mothers. As I said, while the theme of father/son is a little overdone and you DO see it more often than mother/son or mother/daughter, it is about individual people and their families and their lives. Not everyone's the same, and just because the father/son relationship IS overdone, that doesn't make it right to undermine it (unless, of course, it's not a good relationship). It's subjective, really, I think. It isn't right to undermine a mother/child relationship or a father/child one. But again, if there is abuse involved on one side (i.e. the mother is abusing her son) then it can be a relationship that is rightfully undermined in the face of, say, a father who's good-hearted and trying desperately get custody of his son.

I'm sorry if none of this is making sense, and I don't mean to offend anyone or portray any stereotypes, just trying to get my point across, which is more difficult than I imagined it'd be.