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Re: Definitions

Postby DGFone » April 27th, 2011, 8:01 pm

Also, to continue my point, anything after the original The Lion King, everything is unofficial because there were no sequels. Being the "B" movie (watch a few production videos- the team called themselves that), The Lion King production team had a lot more liberty on what to do (No "A" picture would have killed Mufasa), but it also meant another thing: Unlike Pocahontas, the financial success of The Lion King was not guaranteed, making The Lion King a one off deal. If it would bomb, not much would have been lost compared to something that was expected to succeed (and have material left out for sequels). This is also why the rest was made by others: the original team had no contract to continue.

The Lion King succeeded (quite well, I would say 8-)) but it had no plans for a continuation because it was too risqué to plan for future parts. This is why you have the whole "official vs unofficial" battle: everything that is not The Lion King 1 is unofficial: it was not planned by the original creators.
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Re: Definitions

Postby KopsTheTerminator » April 27th, 2011, 8:17 pm

^ Thank you, you're officially one of my favourite members now. :P that's what I've been trying to tell everyone in other topics but I couldn't find the right words. So, we've come to the conclusion that TLK is the only official and canon movie?
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Re: Definitions

Postby Mark » April 30th, 2011, 1:02 pm

I'd say that to be considered canon, a characters must be approved by the original creators of TLK, but to be considered official it only needs to be created with the approval of Dinsey. I mean, these definitions are for the purposes of clarity on this board - so what's the point of having 'official' and 'canon' mean exactly the same thing?

There's no denying that the event of SP and the book etc. are not 'canon', as they have not been approved by the original creators; but why not give the term 'official' a different meaning, to describe all characters approved by Disney but not by the original creators. Surely there should be some form of heirarchy in which characters such as Kiara from SP and Kopa from SNA are considered more official than fan-made characters?

So the diagram could look like this:
http://img90.imageshack.us/i/tlk.png
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Re: Definitions

Postby Moka » May 4th, 2011, 8:30 pm

[quote="WildSimba"]Wouldn't TLK Six Adventure's be official though, since it bears the Disney logo, and is sold by disney? It's definately a step up from Fan-Fiction, so how would it not be Semi/Sub-Canon?

And... what at Shenzi being in the official section? She's canon, she was in the original film. 0.0[/quote]

TLK6NA would be unofficial because it was not made by Disney. It was written by someone who got permission from Disney to use copyrighted material. There's a difference between getting money from allowing people to use your copyrighted material and actually making the copyrighted material.

And yes, Shenzi should be canon, that's a mistake on the chart.

[quote="WildSimba"]Exactly. And as Kops said, the creators of the original actually denied that SP was how they would of continued TLK. Meaning SP is unofficial too, if TLK6NA is, because it was never confirmed by the original creators.[/quote]

Personally, I'd like to have a link to the video in which they said that, but even if they did, it doesn't matter. The copyrights to the franchise is owned by Disney, not the filmmakers. While I agree the original filmmakers knew (and know) best, we have to go by what Disney actually makes, not what the filmmakers approve or deny.

[quote="DGFone"]Also, to continue my point, anything after the original The Lion King, everything is unofficial because there were no sequels. Being the "B" movie (watch a few production videos- the team called themselves that), The Lion King production team had a lot more liberty on what to do (No "A" picture would have killed Mufasa), but it also meant another thing: Unlike Pocahontas, the financial success of The Lion King was not guaranteed, making The Lion King a one off deal. If it would bomb, not much would have been lost compared to something that was expected to succeed (and have material left out for sequels). This is also why the rest was made by others: the original team had no contract to continue.

The Lion King succeeded (quite well, I would say 8-)) but it had no plans for a continuation because it was too risqué to plan for future parts. This is why you have the whole "official vs unofficial" battle: everything that is not The Lion King 1 is unofficial: it was not planned by the original creators.[/quote]

Same point as before, but also there are quite a lot of sequels made by different people that get approved by the original studio. TLK2:SP is not canon, but it is official.

[quote="Mark"]I'd say that to be considered canon, a characters must be approved by the original creators of TLK, but to be considered official it only needs to be created with the approval of Dinsey. I mean, these definitions are for the purposes of clarity on this board - so what's the point of having 'official' and 'canon' mean exactly the same thing?[/quote]

They do not mean the same thing, hence the purpose of the chart on page 1.

[quote="Mark"]There's no denying that the event of SP and the book etc. are not 'canon', as they have not been approved by the original creators; but why not give the term 'official' a different meaning, to describe all characters approved by Disney but not by the original creators. Surely there should be some form of heirarchy in which characters such as Kiara from SP and Kopa from SNA are considered more official than fan-made characters?

So the diagram could look like this:
http://img90.imageshack.us/i/tlk.png[/quote]

No no no... Putting book and comic characters in the official category is like saying this penguin is as official as Kiara or saying Timon and Pumbaa are actually aliens.
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Re: Definitions

Postby DGFone » May 4th, 2011, 9:03 pm

Fair enough. But it will still be nice if you fix the few other mistakes, such as placing Shenzi into the official catagory.
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Re: Definitions

Postby bouncey » May 9th, 2011, 3:28 pm

kopa is fanon , since he is from the books / comics. he is still real since he's in the book/ comic uninverise . he is not real in the movie univerise.
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Re: Definitions

Postby Moka » May 10th, 2011, 11:24 pm

Fanon means made by fans without any approval from Disney. Since Kopa was approved by Disney, he is not fanon. Either way, I would appreciate if you stayed on-topic.
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