Kopa

[Annie]

Btw, Who is the lion in that icon after "Peace" in my previous post?

He's Nuka, apparently. He was featured on a tag on a plushie! Very strange, it looks nothing like him. Cute character though.

Search "Nuka Plush" in google, and you should find a pic.

[Misiziri]

*Looks down below* There's a lot of people viewing this forum...

So THAT'S who it is? It's a pretty cute cubby, lol :3

[Jiirani]

Well, it was released before the film was created, was it not? Or something like that

[Misiziri]

It had to have been because there was no cubby Nuka, just the stanky teenage one. Did they have a cubby vitani plush, too? :3

[Jiirani]

Yeah, a Vitani, Kovu and Nuka one. Like I said before, they made Nuka a teen because killing a cub was too brutal. I think that's true

[Misiziri]

Yeah, that would be bit brutal. I feel sad that Nuka died either way

[atouchofgrace]

Why do people think official canon = no fun at all? As far as I see, the movie universe offers a whole lot of deep and interesting psychology and events all by itself. o.O Yet it doesn't prohibit also making up and sharing your own fan visions.
I think there's also a problem in how some fans go about saying their theories make sense and when someone points out by a fact or by and intellectual argument that it doesn't make sense, it's a bloody offense. It's really weird because by saying their theories make sense, they're practically saying that they want them to make sense and when it's pointed out they don't make sense...

You Zira killing Kopa was a widespread theory, but I find it a bit sad. If you love Kopa, why would you kill him? Personally, I don't really think Kovu is that important. Or Kiara for that fact. I don't really care much about SP, and Kiara and Kovu are certainly not favourites of mine

Well said.

I guess Nala wasn't important enough to SP (Another disappointing fact of the film) so they didn't make her appear that much, giving her an "Absentee mother" ident.

You know why? Because, in my opinion, a character like Nala from the first movie would completly outshine Kiara and Kiara is the female lead. So, they gave her a couple of lines just for the sake of it. She was way too bland. I mean, come on! I was expecting her to be more active during certain scenes.

[Jiirani]

Atouchofgrace has a point. There would be no chance for Kiara if Nala had been out there x3

[SuperBabySimba]

Meh, I think Simba tried to "Put the past behind him" again with Kopa.

But he didn't succeed in putting his past behind him when Timon told him to. He obviously held on to his quilt and sorrow for all those years: whenever something reminded him of it, he got depressed and scared. And he never succeeded to put Mufasa's death completely behind him judging by how he had nightmares and tears in his eyes about his father's death even years and years after the event.

What makes you think he'd succeed any better with a loss of an only son?

Especially as there was always something to remind him of it: Kiara. And Kovu, as he was Zira's son. Leading me to how the nightmare was only about Mufasa and Scar and Kovu becoming Scar. If there was anything about a lost/dead son in Simba's inner life, they would've had it in that dream sequence. It would've been so easy in a dream form. Like, having also Kopa hang on the cliff calling out for Daddy, as a symbol of his murder/disappearence. and then both Scar and Zira coming to say "trust me" and him failing to save his father and child. But there was only Mufasa and Scar. Because Kopa never existed and Zira never killed anyone.

And in the end of TLK he put his own guilt behind, not Mufasa's death. Scar; "I wouldn't want to be responsibly for a death of a family member. Wouln't you agree, Simba?" Simba: "It's not gonna work, Scar. I've put it behind me." The guilt. Not the death. And even the guilt he hadn't really put behind, which is all evident from how he hesitates and gets driven over the cliff.

And I guess Nala wasn't important enough to SP (Another disappointing fact of the film) so they didn't make her appear that much, giving her an "Absentee mother" ident.

But if there had been a child she had lost, it would've made her important to SP. Remember that SP stands for "Simba's Pride" and any child of Simba and Nala's--dead or alive--would've been an essential part of that pride.

Maybe I need to rethink the whole "Zira killed Kopa!" story. Maybe Simba THOUGHT she killed him, when she didn't.

If Simba believed Zira killed Kopa, she might as well have. It would affect Simba's inner life the same or even worse actually, as Simba could not be absolutely sure and it would cause him worry and doubt about if he's child is at peace in death or being tortured/slowly dying somehwere. And again, the film makes no references whatsoever to any other trauma than Mufasa's death.

[Misiziri]

"What makes you think he'd succeed any better with a loss of an only son?"
Because he has a daughter, and Nala and Timon & Pumbaa are right by his side, and that it's over now, not to dwell on it.

Anyway, I think that even if Kopa did exist, they would've excluded him from SP because it was supposed to be a story about Kiara and Kovu; Kopa (All 3 of their names start with K?) would've had absolutely no signifigance to the story, and it would've been confusing to the audience. "Who is this strange lion?"

There is another popular theory; Kopa does not want to be King and so runs off to form a pride of his own, much at the discontent of Simba (Of course Simba didn't know about because Kopa didn't tell him and ran off while Simba is asleep)

You're not changing my mind, man, I still support Kopa as canon