Kopa

[Azdgari]

By forced I meant if we want to come up with a fulfilling reason why Kopa disappeared within the realms of TLK, of course! ^^

As to your response to the first part... what other practical reason is there? That they purposefully ignored his existence to spite the book writers? Or perhaps that they didn't know the books existed at all? They'd be rather lax (not that they weren't =P) in their knowledge of the franchise they were working on if they hadn't even read the books, although I suppose it's possible!

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="Azdgari"]By forced I meant if we want to come up with a fulfilling reason why Kopa disappeared within the realms of TLK, of course! ^^[/quote]

Ahh, right. Of course. Well, some consider the fact that Kopa is a fan/outsider made character, fulfilling enough when taking note of the fact that Disney's movie animators have never used characters other than from old, epic fairytales or alternatively characters created by the animators themselves. Kopa is neither and there is no reason why they should make him an exception.

[quote="Azdgari"]As to your response to the first part... what other practical reason is there? That they purposefully ignored his existence to spite the book writers? Or perhaps that they didn't know the books existed at all? They'd be rather lax (not that they weren't =P) in their knowledge of the franchise they were working on if they hadn't even read the books, although I suppose it's possible![/quote]

The reason I just stated in the above paragraph could very well be the reason they ignored Kopa in particular. As for in genetal why they made Fluffy a girl instead of a male might be that they wanted a refreshing change or simply to make the series colourful with the first movie being about a prince, and the sequel being about a princess.

[Azdgari]

But he wasn't fan made, was he? Fan made would've been in a fanfic. He was released in books that are official Disney merchandise, I believe. That makes him extended universe, doesn't it?

[SnowyCheetah]

Yes, yes it does.

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="Azdgari"]But he wasn't fan made, was he? Fan made would've been in a fanfic. He was released in books that are official Disney merchandise, I believe. That makes him extended universe, doesn't it?[/quote]

Yes it makes him extented universe, but the persons who created and established Kopa's character did not and do not belong to The Walt Disney Company, which results in that Kopa wasn't created nor developed by Disney but by outsiders. Chances are those outsiders were also fans as they were inspired to write original stories based on TLK. But the point is not if his creators were downright fans. The point is: Kopa wasn't created by Disney's workers, and more importantly, he was not created by the movie universe's creative teams and he isn't even a character from an old, epic tale. Results in the movie animators not being interested in him.

[SnowyCheetah]

He is, however, a very popular character, and you dissing him all the time, constantly trying to get him to the point of being ignored/forgotten, is quite offensive.

[WildSimba]

[quote="SuperBabySimba"][quote="Azdgari"]But he wasn't fan made, was he? Fan made would've been in a fanfic. He was released in books that are official Disney merchandise, I believe. That makes him extended universe, doesn't it?[/quote]

Yes it makes him extented universe, but the persons who created and established Kopa's character did not and do not belong to The Walt Disney Company, which results in that Kopa wasn't created nor developed by Disney but by outsiders. Chances are those outsiders were also fans as they were inspired to write original stories based on TLK. But the point is not if his creators were downright fans. The point is: Kopa wasn't created by Disney's workers, and more importantly, he was not created by the movie universe's creative teams and he isn't even a character from an old, epic tale. Results in the movie animators not being interested in him.[/quote]

This isn't necissarily true. Disney could of payed them to write the books, and then kept it on the downlow. Considering we don't know what the artists/writters of the books were thinking eigther, this really is not withen the realm of judgement eigther. I don't understand where you get the information that it wasn't done by anyone with any sole relation to Disney. It was never stated by anyone as far as I've read that it wasn't in relation.

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="SnowyCheetah"]He is, however, a very popular character, and you dissing him all the time, constantly trying to get him to the point of being ignored/forgotten, is quite offensive.[/quote]

I'm not trying to get him to the point of being ignored/forgotten, and you'd know that if you actually read my posts with thought and real consideration instead of taking them as personal attacks by practicing quick judgment and never even trying to ask me as in make sure if I actually mean what you think I mean.

[quote="WildSimba"][quote="SuperBabySimba"][quote="Azdgari"]But he wasn't fan made, was he? Fan made would've been in a fanfic. He was released in books that are official Disney merchandise, I believe. That makes him extended universe, doesn't it?[/quote]

Yes it makes him extented universe, but the persons who created and established Kopa's character did not and do not belong to The Walt Disney Company, which results in that Kopa wasn't created nor developed by Disney but by outsiders. Chances are those outsiders were also fans as they were inspired to write original stories based on TLK. But the point is not if his creators were downright fans. The point is: Kopa wasn't created by Disney's workers, and more importantly, he was not created by the movie universe's creative teams and he isn't even a character from an old, epic tale. Results in the movie animators not being interested in him.[/quote]

This isn't necissarily true. Disney could of payed them to write the books, and then kept it on the downlow. Considering we don't know what the artists/writters of the books were thinking eigther, this really is not withen the realm of judgement eigther. I don't understand where you get the information that it wasn't done by anyone with any sole relation to Disney. It was never stated by anyone as far as I've read that it wasn't in relation.[/quote]

According to Alex Simmons' personal web site, (Alex Simmons is the author of the book wherein Kopa first appears), the story is his original story based on the hit film, while the site also makes clear he is a multi-talent multi-profession guy who has his own clients and
associations while Walt Disney Company is not mentioned in them, nor does his biography mention him ever having worked for Disney.

[WildSimba]

That doesn't mean at all that it isn't kept on the downlow by Disney. You do kind of discredit any possible thing that isn't in your favor... SBS. I'm seriously not trying to be rude, but if you don't want people to think as if your doing that, you should word your posts a little bit more kindly, instead of just bashing Kopa at every given corner you could find. As Snowy said, it is a very popular character, and the creation does deserve a little more respect then you've been giving them.

Also, he said it's his original STORY. He didn't say anything of the sort of Kopa being his original CHARACTER.

[Azdgari]

However, since it was distributed by Disney and their logo placed on it, it is extended universe, no? I can't figure out what you're disagreeing with me on... he's extended universe, wasn't featured in the films for whatever reason, we can speculate forever on that... therefor fans can and do have a good time creating their theories on what happened to him! Right?

Addressing whether or not he is Fluffy... again it's complicated and awkward! I think at the time of TLK 6NA's creation he was, but again since they were later ignored by the creative teams, it's up to us to speculate as to whether he is Kopa or Kiara. It's true Kopa did not 'exist' when TLK was created, but that argument is void because neither did Kiara. Besides, Leia wasn't Luke's sister when Star Wars came out (clearly, since she kisses him xD) but later movies define her as Luke's sister; therefor in the first movie she becomes his sister, even though at the time of making she wasn't. So, I'm not sure where you were going with that particular argument.

Again, what's the big fight about? Isn't Kopa extended universe, and we are free to speculate about just what happened with regards to him and the TLK universe within reason? What's there to get heated about? ^^