Scar

[crystally]

So we're sure Disney didn't ask them to write these books based on the outlines provided by Disney themselves? How did several professional writers wrote separate books in TLK6NA and all have named characters like Kopa and Taka the same? Surely they got it from somewhere if they use the same names. If Disney really don't have anything to do with the books, now how official are the names Taka, Ahadi, Mohatu, Uru, and the others? I understand some of them were mentioned in the laser disc version or whatever behind the scenes (I've never watched them) so I'm not sure which characters are official and which aren't?

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="crystally"]So we're sure Disney didn't ask them to write these books based on the outlines provided by Disney themselves?[/quote]

So what if they asked? The point is that the beginning part of the book series is an original story by an author who didn't work at Walt Disney Company, as in the new characters, names and story were not Disney's idea and work: Disney didn't make them up, Disney didn't create them, Disney didn't write them, and Disney didn't develop them. Disney only put its stamp on them to gain the full copyrights and profit. Just like it did to numerous other contradicting books.

[quote="crystally"]How did several professional writers wrote separate books in TLK6NA and all have named characters like Kopa and Taka the same? Surely they got it from somewhere if they use the same names.[/quote]

Because by the time the second book was to be written, Disney held copyrights for those characters Simmons had created. Disney may have wanted a book series all along but Simmons and no one wanted to write it all, or Disney wanted each part written by a different author, for whatever reason. The key facts are that Alex Simmons started the book series while he wasn't part of Walt Disney Company and the novel is his original story and not Disney's idea or work at any point (apart from the outlines the film gives.)

[quote="crystally"]If Disney really don't have anything to do with the books, now how official are the names Taka, Ahadi, Mohatu, Uru, and the others? I understand some of them were mentioned in the laser disc version or whatever behind the scenes (I've never watched them) so I'm not sure which characters are official and which aren't?[/quote]

While that mentioned-on-the-laserdisc rumour may be true, a mere mention of them doesn't make them official to the movie. And, the chances are they mentioned them as the book universe characters they are, only in means to promote the then-new book series. Because the commentary track is also on the Laserdisc and thus, if they had decided them to official connect to the movie's story and characters, they would've mentioned at least Kopa on the commentary track too - but they didn't.

1.) Kopa, Taka & stuff are original work of a man who wasn't part of Disney + on the 1995/2003 commentary track, the film's makers have literally denied Kopa, the main character of that book series, and through that the entity of the book series = the movie Scar's name was never Taka, he didn't get his scar from a buffalo and Kopa never existed.
2.) Disney indeed later approved the very same way also many other storybooks that contradict the content of that book series, and they can't all apply to the movie. And if they wanted the book universe to connect to the movie, they wouldn't have messed it up by having it contradict itself.

And:
As long as someone provides such document from the Laserdisc to public (like at YouTube) for anyone to check out, even that mention remains a rumour possibly spread by a fan of the book series. I mean, just look at all the "Zira killed Kopa" and "Lion King 4" crap people spread as official though they're totally not. But as said, the mention may be true but certainly not to connect them to the movie's story.

[crystally]

Most your explanations make sense, except the first part. I asked:
[quote="crystally"]So we're sure Disney didn't ask them to write these books based on the outlines provided by Disney themselves?[/quote]

and your answer was:
[quote="SuperBabySimba"]
So what if they asked? The point is that the beginning part of the book series is an original story by an author who didn't work at Walt Disney Company, as in the new characters, names and story were not Disney's idea and work: Disney didn't make them up, Disney didn't create them, Disney didn't write them, and Disney didn't develop them. Disney only put its stamp on them to gain the full copyrights and profit. Just like it did to numerous other contradicting books.[/quote]

You missed the point. My point was how are we so sure Disney didn't provide the outline of the story/characters? Maybe your answer would be because you've researched it, which, if it's the case, is acceptable. But you haven't mentioned it. One of the writer's personal website you posted the link to in the previous post didn't mention anything about the main idea/outline of the story, only that he wrote the story. Disney could've provided the necessary stuff for him to work with. So if you've indeed researched about this and are sure about it, I'm ok with it.

So Uru, Ahadi, Mohatu, Taka aren't official too, I guess. We should put them in the Original Characters subforum instead of Characters...

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="crystally"]You missed the point. My point was how are we so sure Disney didn't provide the outline of the story/characters? Maybe your answer would be because you've researched it, which, if it's the case, is acceptable. But you haven't mentioned it. One of the writer's personal website you posted the link to in the previous post didn't mention anything about the main idea/outline of the story, only that he wrote the story. Disney could've provided the necessary stuff for him to work with. So if you've indeed researched about this and are sure about it, I'm ok with it.

So Uru, Ahadi, Mohatu, Taka aren't official too, I guess. We should put them in the Original Characters subforum instead of Characters...[/quote]

Because the story wouldn't be original, if Disney provided the outlines for it any more specifically than the movie itself.

Even though Mohatu, Uru and Ahadi indeed are original characters of someone because they never appear in the movie in any way, I actually think the book universe characters should be put under a subseciton titled "Profit FanFiction Characters" or something that makes clear they are not official movie characters and not created/developed by Disney itself. I don't think a full blown "Original Characters" subsection would be accurate as Kopa and Taka are based on canon characters (Fluffy and Scar) and thus aren't completely original.

[crystally]

Fair enough Maybe sub-canon? Or maybe something like "Approved Fanfiction"?

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="crystally"]Fair enough Maybe sub-canon? Or maybe something like "Approved Fanfiction"?[/quote]

In order to be sub-canon they would have to be approved and tied into the actual canon by teh canon's creators but they weren't. So they're not sub-canon. I posted a suggestion topic on teh Feedback forum.

[SummerSnowLeopard]

Scar is my favorite character. I love his design, life style, and his cleverness. He's awesome.
I love Be Prepared too. Its the best villian song ever Scar is the best Disney villian.

[OwnerOfAllGames]

On the topic of "Scar". Why hasn't anyone brought up his real name/real character from the Books. Taka?

[AdAstrα]

Probably because these books aren't considered official/canon or whatever.

[SummerSnowLeopard]

Um, I think the books are official.

Taka is a good name for Scar. Though I would have prefered something that sounded more threatening.