Religions

[SnowyCheetah]

[quote="Dutch"]I believe in Eywa.

Srsly though, I'm Roman Catholic but I'm not really devout. I don't go to mass every week and I believe in things like gay marriage. So I don't know what that makes me...[/quote]

I believe that makes you what we call a "lukewarm Catholic." BTW I go to Mass every week and that's what they say...

[MusicLion101]

[quote="Neon"]
If a gene is enough to call upon a new species than we humans should have 6 billion species.
Rather I would say that a genetic drift from the original species creates a species that survives. This 'mutant' hybrids with others till its offspring reach a stable genetic structure creating a species. You may argue that we cannot see it ourselves but it exist. I may agree to it but we can't see our religious gods but it doesn't mean they do not exist. Rather I believe science is used as humanity's tactic of describing logic when in actual fact it has went way off course of the original truth and we human's are living in a false logic world whick closely resembles the unknown true laws of this universe that keeps in flowing like the blood of a growing child.[/quote]


I've always felt that our vision was the way it is for a reason: We only need to see the things that we can see. All we have is our perception, of course there could be dimensions right in front of us, but we have never needed to view them to survive, hence why we cant view them.

[SimbasMate]

We all evolved from muddy ponds, ok?

[Simba]

alrighty, to the evolution discussion. I do believe in adaption. but that everything evolved from one little microscopic organism? no. plus, you can't prove the evolutionary theory any more than all the other life creation theories. yes, there are similar species. but if adaption, and in turn evolution, happens to better survive then why are the species that other species supposedly evolved from still around? it doesn't make since to me. I think that basic groups probably had a common ancester, like felines all coming from one species of feline that was created. I don't believe that humans evolved from something, due to my religious beliefs, but that animals evolved from a key group of other animals that didn't evolve but were created. so it's my way of combining some things, but not totally to the point of contradicting the Bible.

and morri, subspecies are specifically created by adaptions, not necessarily evolution adaption is very proven, it's something people have actually witnessed and can prove. now, the evolutionary theory or any other creation belief/theory can't be proven since we haven't witnessed it. that's all a matter of what you believe in, which leads us back to the topic of our religious beliefs.

[morri908]

[quote="Simba"]alrighty, to the evolution discussion. I do believe in adaption. but that everything evolved from one little microscopic organism? no. plus, you can't prove the evolutionary theory any more than all the other life creation theories. yes, there are similar species. but if adaption, and in turn evolution, happens to better survive then why are the species that other species supposedly evolved from still around? it doesn't make since to me. I think that basic groups probably had a common ancester, like felines all coming from one species of feline that was created. I don't believe that humans evolved from something, due to my religious beliefs, but that animals evolved from a key group of other animals that didn't evolve but were created. so it's my way of combining some things, but not totally to the point of contradicting the Bible.

and morri, subspecies are specifically created by adaptions, not necessarily evolution adaption is very proven, it's something people have actually witnessed and can prove. now, the evolutionary theory or any other creation belief/theory can't be proven since we haven't witnessed it. that's all a matter of what you believe in, which leads us back to the topic of our religious beliefs.[/quote]

Adaptation is evolution, but using a different word. I never said that we evolved from a cell, I just said that animals change to be better equipped for living. If you want to call that adaptation, then do so, but it's the same thing as what i said.
Evolution- The change in a species over time.
Adaptation- The change in a species over time.

[quote="Simba"]alrighty, to the evolution discussion. I do believe in adaption. but that everything evolved from one little microscopic organism? no. plus, you can't prove the evolutionary theory any more than all the other life creation theories. yes, there are similar species. but if adaption, and in turn evolution, happens to better survive then why are the species that other species supposedly evolved from still around? it doesn't make since to me. I think that basic groups probably had a common ancester, like felines all coming from one species of feline that was created. I don't believe that humans evolved from something, due to my religious beliefs, but that animals evolved from a key group of other animals that didn't evolve but were created. so it's my way of combining some things, but not totally to the point of contradicting the Bible.

and morri, subspecies are specifically created by adaptions, not necessarily evolution adaption is very proven, it's something people have actually witnessed and can prove. now, the evolutionary theory or any other creation belief/theory can't be proven since we haven't witnessed it. that's all a matter of what you believe in, which leads us back to the topic of our religious beliefs.[/quote]

Evolution, adaption, the change of a species over time, meaning that we are the same creature, but we look different. Also, evolution is the changing of an animal to be better suited for survival, and if that is true, then the old species would be extinct.. Like so many animals that used to exist, but don't anymore, such as carrier pidgins.

[quote="Neon"]

Yes it is rediculous for them to change everyday but are you telling me that all of them change at once? Now how is that possible?

If a gene is enough to call upon a new species than we humans should have 6 billion species.
Rather I would say that a genetic drift from the original species creates a species that survives. This 'mutant' hybrids with others till its offspring reach a stable genetic structure creating a species. You may argue that we cannot see it ourselves but it exist. I may agree to it but we can't see our religious gods but it doesn't mean they do not exist. Rather I believe science is used as humanity's tactic of describing logic when in actual fact it has went way off course of the original truth and we human's are living in a false logic world whick closely resembles the unknown true laws of this universe that keeps in flowing like the blood of a growing child.[/quote]

I didn't say that they all change, all at once. i said that they change over time, and that eventually they get to what they are today.
Anyways, what you said in the second paragraph about genetic drifting... THAT'S EVOLUTION!!! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT EVOLUTION IS!

[MusicLion101]

@ Simba

Those older species are still around because not ALL of them evolved, a species only evolves if it has to. A small pocket of that species branched off to a new area, adapting to fit the needs of survival in that new area. The ones that did NOT branch off did NOT evolve, they remained as they were because they didn't NEED to adapt.

And btw, adaptation is evolution.

[Chanzo]

Gotta agree with Morri on this one, evolution, adaption & genetic drifting are all different words for the same thing - changing to suit new a constantly changing environment. I also believe in evolution, I don't find it possible that humans could just suddenly appear, or have been around before the whole Adam & Eve thing came along, there's just no way a species could suit every environment the earth could throw at it, cold, hot, wet, dry etc.

[morri908]

[quote="MusicLion101"]@ Simba

Those older species are still around because not ALL of them evolved, a species only evolves if it has to. A small pocket of that species branched off to a new area, adapting to fit the needs of survival in that new area. The ones that did NOT branch off did NOT evolve, they remained as they were because they didn't NEED to adapt.

And btw, adaptation is evolution.[/quote]


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNf7b5sr ... _embedded#

XDDD tlk mortal combat.. >D

[Simba]

adaption is NOT evolution. my biology teacher went over this. yes, according to Darwin adaption leads to evolution, but they are NOT the same.

adaption- a small change in a species due to natural selection
evolution- continuous adaption over time

and I'm not saying they all change all at once either. oi, you guys are taking this a little to hard. I'm trying to lightheartedly explain how evolution isn't any more proven than anything else out there, and how people can find it unbelievable.

just forget discussing if you guys are just going to shout in all caps. I'm not going to put up with some useless drama, you guys aren't getting the whole of what I mean anyways. so I'm just going to leave this topic now

[Neon]

ML
Like you said we can't live to see it. Similar to gods. We will never live to tell our experiences.


[quote="MusicLion101"]@ Simba

Those older species are still around because not ALL of them evolved, a species only evolves if it has to. A small pocket of that species branched off to a new area, adapting to fit the needs of survival in that new area. The ones that did NOT branch off did NOT evolve, they remained as they were because they didn't NEED to adapt.

And btw, adaptation is evolution.[/quote]
So to draw a conclusion what do you say is most important that proves evolution to be a true form of science base on the previous info. Is it the gentic drifting or so on?


Morri
My reference to gentic drifting was not to evolution I never said it belong there. You claim it in the laws of evolution but I say it is part of circumstances and not really explainable how it became evolution. Evolution is the gradual change of creatures over time. Since genetic drifting is mutation and not a wholesome change, doesn't that contradict? Further more while I do not doubt science, I still find that my original statement on evolutions reliability has went relatively unanswered. I have seen replies on evolution and its laws which make the logic today but non on the general idea of my question.
[quote]Well for a debate how is science or evolution true? Wouldn't there be half bears and half dogs then how can species change all together at one time?[/quote]
So how does this tell me evolution is true? I'm waiting for the golden answer here...........


[quote="Simba"]adaption is NOT evolution. my biology teacher went over this. yes, according to Darwin adaption leads to evolution, but they are NOT the same.

adaption- a small change in a species due to natural selection
evolution- continuous adaption over time

and I'm not saying they all change all at once either. oi, you guys are taking this a little to hard. I'm trying to lightheartedly explain how evolution isn't any more proven than anything else out there, and how people can find it unbelievable.

just forget discussing if you guys are just going to shout in all caps. I'm not going to put up with some useless drama, you guys aren't getting the whole of what I mean anyways. so I'm just going to leave this topic now [/quote]
But if that is the case than can it be called science? So if science s flawed and if religion is equally flawed then why do we follow them. By far evolution contradicts itself in my perception from the given replies. Simba you don't quite get the discussion either. This is about the truths in evolution.

So in the end is evolution really worth to even be a theory since everything goes randomly and comes randomly with no apparent connections.

And on the poll I do not see Islam. the second most populous religion.