A confession and Noah

[Arani]

[quote="Woeler1"]The consequences are the things that matter. These things were done for the good of this forum. For gods sake, did anyone get hurt? Did anyone die? no. Trolls got banned and spam got deleted. When you are ruling something you can't always play by the book, because even the book has it's flaws in some situations.

If someone with a gun entered a school and theatened to kill all the children, and you would have the oppertunity to kill that man. Would you not kill him because killing is not legal by the books?

It takes a lot of courage to admit this. And for those suggesting punishment: Shame on you guys![/quote]

Agree 100%! Well said.

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote="Arani"][quote="Woeler1"]The consequences are the things that matter. These things were done for the good of this forum. For gods sake, did anyone get hurt? Did anyone die? no. Trolls got banned and spam got deleted. When you are ruling something you can't always play by the book, because even the book has it's flaws in some situations.

If someone with a gun entered a school and theatened to kill all the children, and you would have the oppertunity to kill that man. Would you not kill him because killing is not legal by the books?

It takes a lot of courage to admit this. And for those suggesting punishment: Shame on you guys![/quote]

Agree 100%! Well said.[/quote]

Yea, I can't argue against that. ín my eyes KK didn't even do anything much wrong, if it was for the good of the forum.

[DGFone]

Not really. What I am seeing are the rules getting disreguard by nothing more than a popularity contest. For the sake of the forum, it'sthe wrong thing to do to determine how a member, mod or not, get's punished based on how many others say "I forgive you" or not.

If that's how the rules work, then get rid of them and let the members decide how all broken rules will be dealt with. What happened to "everyone are equal under the law"? As soon as you remove this, the rules will be completely neglected.

So what do you guys want: To let forgiveness decide evereyone's punishment, or to let the unending rules decide?

I myself would not mind seeing compassion win this one, but like I said: do it to one, do it for all.

[Buffy]

I don't agree with the things you did KK, but as several have said you have done a lot more good than you have done bad. You were a mod back when I joined 3 years ago and we have seen many mods come and go, however you have stuck around through all the drama and crap You have done so much for this site, so much more than an average member or Lion King fan would and I think you deserve points for that. Not to mention, you're owning up to your mistakes and taking the blame, which takes courage. ESPECIALLY when there are so many people here who could give you a bunch of crap for what you did.

Now, MLK is full of drama, I'm not going to lie. And I'm sure the drama will never go away because, let's face it, we're a community and there's ALWAYS drama in a community. I tend to steer clear of it because I hate drama (unless it's like theatre lol), so I'm usually unaware of things that go on between members on this site xD
Honestly, as long as you try really hard to not cause any more drama or trouble, everything will be okay. But remember, with great power comes great responsibility (Heck yeah! I just quoted Spiderman!), but don't forget... With great power comes also a lot of temptation. People with power feel like they could do anything without it having too bad consequences, and you really don't know how things will turn out until everything is done. But I'm getting kind of off-topic. POINT IS be careful and try to be the best mod you can be.

~Buffy.

[Woeler]

[quote="DGFone"]Not really. What I am seeing are the rules getting disreguard by nothing more than a popularity contest. For the sake of the forum, it'sthe wrong thing to do to determine how a member, mod or not, get's punished based on how many others say "I forgive you" or not.

If that's how the rules work, then get rid of them and let the members decide how all broken rules will be dealt with. What happened to "everyone are equal under the law"? As soon as you remove this, the rules will be completely neglected.

So what do you guys want: To let forgiveness decide evereyone's punishment, or to let the unending rules decide?

I myself would not mind seeing compassion win this one, but like I said: do it to one, do it for all.[/quote]
an administrator stands above the rules, sometimes breaking the rules is needed, ad this shows why. Snap out of it, regular members are not equal to mods or admins. That is why they are mods and admins, they stand above the general public. Just like a president can do more than a regular citizen.

And yes, we are going to forgive him.

[Regulus]

The reason why KK is not suffering any consequences for his actions is because this happened a long time ago. We're talking years, compared to months with Noah. And, the thing with Noah is that he hasn't changed even a little bit.

Additionally, this is Moka's site. Moka made KK the admin, and it is ultimately Moka's decision to keep KK as our admin.

[Woeler]

[quote="Regulus"]
Additionally, this is Moka's site. Moka made KK the admin, and it is ultimately Moka's decision to keep KK as our admin.[/quote]
Well said

[DGFone]

How does that work: Regular members who cannot change the rules must follow them, while mod and admins, the ones who make the rules, get to ignore them? And yes, mod and admins are just as responsible for following the rules as anyone else. Of a situation comes where the rules fail, you change the rules for everyone, and not just one member. But the most important thing is in fact that as someone who creates the rules, KK needs to follow them as well.

Yes, I forgive KK. It ahouldn't go into consideration what happens to him. Not unless it goes into consideration for everyone.

[Woeler]

[quote="DGFone"]How does that work: Regular members who cannot change the rules must follow them, while mod and admins, the ones who make the rules, get to ignore them? And yes, mod and admins are just as responsible for following the rules as anyone else. Of a situation comes where the rules fail, you change the rules for everyone, and not just one member. But the most important thing is in fact that as someone who creates the rules, KK needs to follow them as well.

Yes, I forgive KK. It ahouldn't go into consideration what happens to him. Not unless it goes into consideration for everyone.[/quote]
No, rulers stand above the rules, and if those rules need to be broken once in a while for the greater good, so be it. There is a good reason KK is still an admin, and that reason is: He is a good admin.

Possitions on a forum differ, get used to it. This is not a democracy

[DGFone]

It's Moka's website, no? It's him who is above the rules. Let him decide what to do. What I think should't matter in that decision, but neither what you think. Moka can break the rules because he pays the bills. Everyone else should continue to follow the rules.

What KK did was two years ago. If he did those things yesterday, things would be different. But he learned, and he changed from then. Like you said: this is why he is an admin now. But it's Moka who is above the rules. Not you, not me, and not KK.