A confession and Noah

[DGFone]

Not really. What I am seeing are the rules getting disreguard by nothing more than a popularity contest. For the sake of the forum, it'sthe wrong thing to do to determine how a member, mod or not, get's punished based on how many others say "I forgive you" or not.

If that's how the rules work, then get rid of them and let the members decide how all broken rules will be dealt with. What happened to "everyone are equal under the law"? As soon as you remove this, the rules will be completely neglected.

So what do you guys want: To let forgiveness decide evereyone's punishment, or to let the unending rules decide?

I myself would not mind seeing compassion win this one, but like I said: do it to one, do it for all.

[Buffy]

I don't agree with the things you did KK, but as several have said you have done a lot more good than you have done bad. You were a mod back when I joined 3 years ago and we have seen many mods come and go, however you have stuck around through all the drama and crap You have done so much for this site, so much more than an average member or Lion King fan would and I think you deserve points for that. Not to mention, you're owning up to your mistakes and taking the blame, which takes courage. ESPECIALLY when there are so many people here who could give you a bunch of crap for what you did.

Now, MLK is full of drama, I'm not going to lie. And I'm sure the drama will never go away because, let's face it, we're a community and there's ALWAYS drama in a community. I tend to steer clear of it because I hate drama (unless it's like theatre lol), so I'm usually unaware of things that go on between members on this site xD
Honestly, as long as you try really hard to not cause any more drama or trouble, everything will be okay. But remember, with great power comes great responsibility (Heck yeah! I just quoted Spiderman!), but don't forget... With great power comes also a lot of temptation. People with power feel like they could do anything without it having too bad consequences, and you really don't know how things will turn out until everything is done. But I'm getting kind of off-topic. POINT IS be careful and try to be the best mod you can be.

~Buffy.

[Regulus]

The reason why KK is not suffering any consequences for his actions is because this happened a long time ago. We're talking years, compared to months with Noah. And, the thing with Noah is that he hasn't changed even a little bit.

Additionally, this is Moka's site. Moka made KK the admin, and it is ultimately Moka's decision to keep KK as our admin.

[DGFone]

How does that work: Regular members who cannot change the rules must follow them, while mod and admins, the ones who make the rules, get to ignore them? And yes, mod and admins are just as responsible for following the rules as anyone else. Of a situation comes where the rules fail, you change the rules for everyone, and not just one member. But the most important thing is in fact that as someone who creates the rules, KK needs to follow them as well.

Yes, I forgive KK. It ahouldn't go into consideration what happens to him. Not unless it goes into consideration for everyone.

[DGFone]

It's Moka's website, no? It's him who is above the rules. Let him decide what to do. What I think should't matter in that decision, but neither what you think. Moka can break the rules because he pays the bills. Everyone else should continue to follow the rules.

What KK did was two years ago. If he did those things yesterday, things would be different. But he learned, and he changed from then. Like you said: this is why he is an admin now. But it's Moka who is above the rules. Not you, not me, and not KK.

[Tora]

I do sort of agree with DGFone, because rules need to be followed especially those who have power over others. Being in power does not make you above the rules Woeler. Saving a troll from becoming Member of the Month is not something for the greater good of the forum. The outcome would have been simple: the troll would have won, the troll would have been found to be a troll, and he or she would have been banned. If you are in a position of power you should know that you need to be the one setting the example for everyone else. If the ones who create the rules don't follow the rules one cannot expect others to follow the rules. I do believe time has to do with this case as well; there should definitely be a statute of limitations, because as we can see KK is doing his job just fine. Ultimately it is Moka's decision as it is his forum, but be mindful. Just because you make rules doesn't make you immune to them. While yes technically Moka can break the rules I have a strong sense of doubt that he ever would.

[DGFone]

If I am, Moka is not involved in my opinion. This is what I, DGFone, think. That everyone but Moka need to follow the rules equally. Yes, Moka can always break the rules, but he can always stop paying the bills and have MLK get taken down. We just trust him not to.

But as Torah said for everyone else: if the mod and admins break the rules, they are telling everyone else that it's also okay to break the rules. The mods need to be able to deal with every issue without having to break the rules. If the solution breaks the rules, then either it's the wrong solution, or the rules are bad.

[Regulus]

You think governments do everything by the books? No, otherwise they simply could not function.

That is true. America: land of the free, home of the internment camps.

[DGFone]

How about this: When a mod or admin breaks the rules for the greater good for MLK, then they will have to publicly disclose the fact. That way, they can still do something, and they know that the rules got broken, and have to explain their actions.

[Tora]

How about this: When a mod or admin breaks the rules for the greater good for MLK, then they will have to publicly disclose the fact. That way, they can still do something, and they know that the rules got broken, and have to explain their actions.

Very good thought.