Hyena March.

[Woeler]

That clip doesn't prove anything that is relevant to this discussion. You're making assumptions, and that is a mistake.
So, americans do not learn about the reichstag (lol!?). Your argument is that because the average american does not know what the reichstag is, the movie could not possibly represent it.

This is a contradiction to everything else in this topic. Everyone agrees this scene was based on Triumph of the Will (Triumph des willens). Which was a nazi prpaganda movie, released in germany, in german, was never translated. The film is quite unknown in Germany's neighboring countries let alone a country 5000 miles overseas.

Triumph of the will is even less of a household name than the reichstag. If your argument were true the scene could not be representing hitler in some way, let alone TOTW. We all know that is not true.

Besides, what school teaches about WWII, but not the capture if the reichstag, which was one of the most important achievements in the fall of the reich? Probably because the Russians did it. And we all need to know them Russian commies are bad, bad bad!

[DGFone]

[quote="Woeler"]
Besides, what school teaches about WWII, but not the capture if the reichstag, which was one of the most important achievements in the fall of the reich? Probably because the Russians did it. And we all need to know them Russian commies are bad, bad bad![/quote]

Now you just explained to yourself why in American schools, the Reichstag gets skipped over. After all, textbooks can put the symbolic victory with the storming of this building, or they can use that space to praise a very similar symbolic victory - Iwo Jima.

Yes, I know that this scene is based off Hitler. I don't see how you got the impression that I'm arguing against that. Also, people don't need to know the name "Triumph of Will", but they all know what goose-stepping Nazis look like.

What I am arguing is that the pillars you are talking about, that might represent the Reichstag, I don't think they represent any specific building. After all, look:



Doesn't quite scream "Evil Nazis", now, does it?

I think you took a symbolic scene, and started to look too deeply for anything that can by a symbol. But as you know, sometimes a pen is just a pen. And a pillar of ground is just a pillar of ground.

[Woeler]

The pillars have a more symbolic meaning than that. On the 20th of February 1938 Hitler gave one of hist most famous speeches (speech before the Reichstag). He stood on a large balcony withing the Reichstag with these pillars both to the left and the right. This speech was about him, his plans and how he thought the country could be freed from all it's problems. It was evil, it was direct. So was Scar, he sang the same sort of plans.

These pillars have a very symbolic meaning. They stand for power and strenght.

But I might be looking to far, again, there is a fair chance it is plausible.

I think this


Looks a lot like this


As can this


look a lot like this


Note that I never said ''they are'', I said they can represent the Reichstag.

[TheBlackCatCrossing]

[quote="Woeler"]

Besides, what school teaches about WWII, but not the capture if the reichstag, which was one of the most important achievements in the fall of the reich? Probably because the Russians did it. And we all need to know them Russian commies are bad, bad bad![/quote]

We do hear about the Reichstag but it's more of a footnote and we dont cover it in depth. You will get more in depth discussions about it at the community colleges or in charter schools where the teachers can choose their lesson plans. In public schools in CA, there are standards that they have to follow hence why a lot of kids are not too familiar with the term Reichstag.

Also, I am taking a huge risk here but in your quote, you say we see the commies as evil. And yet, how many times have you bashed America? I aint saying its perfect but i would rather live here than where my family was originally from.

[Woeler]

off topic: show

I don't see communists as evil. I was pointing out that it has almost become American culture to hate communism. Many Americans also don't know that Russia is NOT a communist country. They also don't know that there is a huge difference between socialism and communism.

The problem with communism is that it is too controlling and therefore it is easy to corrupt.
The problem with the American system is that they literally don't give a sh*t about the people who need it the most.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the top 10 happiest countries on earth are all socialist countries.

And your choice on where to live depends on your situation. If you were poor, you would definitely choose for the DDR or the USSR. No matter how controlling they are, they'll supply you with a home, food and a job. You'll be controlled, but you'll at least have what you need to survive.

A communism without corruption isn't that bad at all. It just doesn't exist, like capitalism that cares.

Reply pm, please. I'm getting rather off topic.

[TheBlackCatCrossing]

You were the one that brought up communism, dude. Just saying.

But yes, the WW2 allusions. Yes, Disney used to take risks.

[DGFone]

Do the pillars Scar stand on represent his powers over the hyenas? Definitely. Do they allude to Hitler and the Nazis? Yes.

Do they represent the Reichstag? I hardly think the animators even heard of that building before, let alone thought about it as they drew the scene. After all remember that The Lion King started production during the Cold War. The animators and directors most certainly did not go through the great achievements of the Red Scum when they were in school, for they were being taught to hate the Soviets, not love them.

[Woeler]

Doesn't mean it can't be true. You can not possible know what the creators thought and knew. You can only take a gamble on that.

[Regulus]

[quote="DGFone"]I think you took a symbolic scene, and started to look too deeply for anything that can by a symbol. But as you know, sometimes a pen is just a pen. And a pillar of ground is just a pillar of ground.[/quote]

You're forgetting one thing:

It's a movie. It's an animated movie. Everything had to be drawn by hand. If you're going to take the time to draw it, there must be some reason. A pen is just a pen, but if you're going to draw a pen, then it must have some meaning.

I've never heard of the Reichstag before. But that doesn't matter, because I recognize what it's trying to represent without knowing its name.

The pillars symbolize government. Scar symbolizes Hitler. The marching symbolizes the German troops. Put the three together, and Scar is obviously standing on a German government building, in a manner representative of Hitler.

Whether or not the creators of the movie knew the name of the building is irrelevant.

[DGFone]

[quote="Regulus"]
The pillars symbolize government. Scar symbolizes Hitler. The marching symbolizes the German troops. Put the three together, and Scar is obviously standing on a German government building, in a manner representative of Hitler.
[/quote]

Since when did the pillars start representing government? Scar's rule was that of a dictatorship, not a cooperative government. The pillars represent Scar's power, not as a symbol of whatever building Hitler used to make his grand speeches. It's about Scar looking down on the Hyenas like Hitler looked down on the Germans, and not about the fact that Hitler made X many speeches in this building, X many parades here, etc...