CISPA

[LionsAreKings]

There is no perfect nation in the world, and there never will.

Never Say Never.

I think that, as corrupted as my nation is, that there is still hope for it and that it's the best government in the world.

Really now?

[DGFone]

I have yet to spot a single fact in that piece of text. While you are giving your opinion I'm arguing with the facts. Those are the official numbers which are accepted all over the world as true! The HDI are the numbers brought by all the countries in the UN, which includes yours, mine and Norway. The HDI is based on wealth, health, economic growth, GDP, life expectancy, birth-rate. death-rate and standards of living. I have yet to see you disprove one of my arguments. You are giving your opinion which is completely irrelevant because you have no facts to support that.

And a generalization like ''All socialist nations end up the same'' is stupid. saying that tho whole of Europe or East only is exactly like the USSR is really a stupid remark. Again you have NO evidence to base that on. And even if it were true, those ''Socialists'' are doing better than you!

And that's assuming that what you gave me is also fact and not opinion?

And the HDI is also meaningless. Let me give you an example: Canada. It is much more socialist than the USA, and is much more European. I know for a fact that if I lived in Canada, I would already dead. Why? Because a medicine that I had to take for a few years that was literally saving my life was deemed to expensive and banned there. I am certain that most European countries also banned it for the same reason. So yes, I think my nation is better. My life depended on it, thank you very much. (So you do live longer in those nations, assuming you don't get a decease that is expensive and hard to cure). Which also makes me doubt that those socialist nations are doing better than me because I know for a fact that at least in Canada, people with my decease are far worse off.

And a higher tax rate: Who's right is it to tell me what to do with my money? I earn what I earn and I do with it as I please, not the other way around. If you think that the government knows better what do do with people's money, look above for a case against it.

And back to CISPA: I also see this as a sign that the USA is on the right path. People should have a right to be able to propose such outrageous laws that will never pass. And it's a good thing that they will never pass because of our constitution.

[Panda-chan]

How bout both of you take your little [censored] fight somewhere else and leave this topic alone mmk?

btw, both countries suck lol. NORTH KOREA FTW

[Panda-chan]

How bout both of you take your little [censored] fight somewhere else and leave this topic alone mmk?

1. I don't take orders

2. Obama is gonna veto this stuff anyway

You don't take orders?

[Azdgari]

And while we talk about missiles:

SWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAG

And I like how the fight about how America is awful is based off of our passing some internet bill. Because blogs on the internet is such a huge frickin' deal in the scheme of the world. I happen to be very proud of the good ol' red white and blue. We can fight all day about happiness indexes and whatnot, and I do respect that Norway's an awesome place that probably has unreal social programs and a very incorrupt, efficient government, but who saved you guys's butts when the Nazis rolled over you guys like a steamroller over a weiner dog? Aww yeah. Get dat red white and blue. <3

Also I'm asking a mod to split this topic because amanderz isn't feeling the nationalism debate. Which is all good. ;3

With regards to the bill, I probably already presented my views above: I really couldn't care much less about bills limiting the internet. It annoys me, yeah, but its such a small issue. Let's cover health care, poverty, and our military involvement abroad before we facepalm about the internet. My humble opinion.

[DGFone]

^To add my opinion. (I already said this, but it most likely got skipped over to my pro-USA part)

I actually think that it's a good thing that such bills can be even made. No, I do not like them, and I do hope and believe that they will die out. But the main thing is that should someone see a way that they think can improve the USA, (or got payed to think that), they can still do something. This is much better, IMHO, than a system where everyone is happy, but the everyone is defined very narrowly, and should you happen to not be one of these 'everyone', you don't have any options to try and improve things.

Yes, people here abuse the power to change the government. But I would much rather have people abuse it and get stopped all the time rather than for no one to be able to do so when it is finally needed for real.

So specifically for this bill: No, I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. I want to see it stall and die, and am waiting for that moment. But at the same time, I am glad that this bill was able to be made in the first place, because that is important - the ability to try and change things for the better, even if you're wrong.

[Vector]

Oh god. SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, and now CISPA?!?
I'm an American, but I'm pretty nervous right now. They said something about your privacy getting stolen... NO. I have some private things on this computer. I don't want all my secrets revealed and my rep ruined.
I really hope we can stop CISPA.....

[CloudCheetah]

They don't give up, they just don't get that we don't want these bills to pass!

[Vector]

I thought I heard news about Zuckerberg supporting CISPA. Was that true?