Massive School Shooting at an Elementary School

[DGFone]

1. Last time I checked, wanting "All non-Dutch" is not the same as wanting only non-Dutch workers out. And even that, wanting 'only' non-Dutch workers out of the nation? Yeah, I call that racism.

2. just did a Google check as well. Got what Regulus found. Never did I find "The Dutch are the happiest people in the world".

You want to know what the happiest nation in the world is? Look at all those small island-nations in Oceania. They might have populations of only several hundred at best, and everyone know each other by name. They all live in complete poverty and basically all of them are fishermen.

And they are all very happy with their lives, and I doubt those nations know what the word "crime" even means.

And if you in the Netherlands always get "Why are the Dutch so happy?", I highly doubt that it's because it the actual truth, but because you and other Dutch look it up every now and then just enough for it to be the most popular "Dutch" search term. Learn how Google works - it biases your often searched terms to display what you look at most often at the top.

[Woeler]

[quote="DGFone"]1. Last time I checked, wanting "All non-Dutch" is not the same as wanting only non-Dutch workers out. And even that, wanting 'only' non-Dutch workers out of the nation? Yeah, I call that racism. [/quote]
You didn't check anything, I can tell you that. This is their website http://www.pvv.nl

This is what they say:
De massa-immigratie is intens schadelijk voor Nederland. Buiten de problemen met
de islam die we nu geïmporteerd hebben, zien we een oververtegenwoordiging van
niet-westerse allochtonen op het gebied van uitkeringsafhankelijkheid, antisemitisme,
homohaat, vrouwendiscriminatie, criminaliteit, overlast, schooluitval en eerwraak.
Niet-westerse allochtonen kosten Nederland 7,2 miljard euro per jaar

Translation:
The mass-immigration is harmful to the Netherlands. Besides Islam, there are problems with non-western foreigners on the areas of jobs, antisemitism, homophobia, discrimination against women, crime, education, and honor killings.
Non-western immigrants cost us 7.2 billion euros a year. That's why we must stop.

But it doesn't stop there because you even failed to read my pm properly.
You know who can GTFO of my country? non-working non-educated not-dutchspeaking discriminating criminal foreigners who come here to profit from our welfare programs. THOSE are the people the PVV wants out. Not ''foreigners''. They also want to introduce hard measures on those who are Dutch and fall in these categories. Our constitution forbids us from throwing Dutch citizens out (which is a good thing).

Besides, the word racism is not even applicable here. Polish people and Romanian people and Swedish people (examples) are all Caucasian and fall under the term ''foreigners''.

You have not read a single article about this political party, their standpoints or their leader. Not one.

[quote="DGFone"]2. just did a Google check as well. Got what Regulus found. Never did I find "The Dutch are the happiest people in the world".[/quote]
I get it...


[quote="DGFone"]You want to know what the happiest nation in the world is? Look at all those small island-nations in Oceania. They might have populations of only several hundred at best, and everyone know each other by name. They all live in complete poverty and basically all of them are fishermen.

And they are all very happy with their lives, and I doubt those nations know what the word "crime" even means.

And if you in the Netherlands always get "Why are the Dutch so happy?", I highly doubt that it's because it the actual truth, but because you and other Dutch look it up every now and then just enough for it to be the most popular "Dutch" search term. Learn how Google works - it biases your often searched terms to display what you look at most often at the top.[/quote]
No, the happiest country in the world is Denmark. I don't need to hear these weird theories, The rankings say Denmark. And guess what? We're number 3.

[DGFone]

Congratulations on being very outdated, Woeler. Do a quick search not for "Why are the Dutch so happy" but the "happiest nations in the world".

The results are not what I expected, but far from what you claim they are. In fact, out of the top ten nations, only one "western" nation even made it to the list - Israel. Everyone else were either South American or those from the Caribbean. Two sources I found conflict on where Columbia is (1st or third), but both agree that your Slavic havens... are not.

http://www.livescience.com/25713-happie ... allup.html
http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/life ... try-561826

[Woeler]

I'll post the correct and trusted sources tomorrow. You're still BS on the racist party.

[DGFone]

1. I don't care who you discriminate against. Muslims, Easter Europeans, non-Dutch.. I don't care. The end matter is that official stance of this party is to discriminate against others.

2. You know how I know that guns are 100.0x10^24 % overrated compared to anything else that can kill? Because for some reason, I haven't heard about, and no one mentioned, the recent fire in Brazil that killed over 10x in one go than some of the deadliest gun attacks?

[Woeler]

I don't discrminate against anybody. You in fact, are generalizing. (And on wrong grounds too)

Logic: Guns kill. Fire kills more. Fire is bad, guns are good.

You can not get rid of fire. Or create fire-control laws. You can do that with guns.

And maybe you should have clicked the link in your source to the rankings. You're posting two completely contradictory sources.


1. Norway
2. Switzerland
3. Finland
4. Canada
5. Sweden
6. The Netherlands
7. Great Britain
8. Spain
9. Australia
10. United States
11. Japan
12. Germany
13. Italy
14. France
15. South Korea

[DGFone]

[quote="Woeler"]I don't discrminate against anybody. You in fact, are generalizing. (And on wrong grounds too)

And maybe you should have clicked the link in your source to the rankings. You're posting two completely contradictory sources.
[/quote]

I never said that you personally discriminate against anyone. But the political party that you tell people to vote for is discriminating against others.

As for your link, it would be good and all except for the fact that it was published in April. Plus, I looked deeper (in the same website) assuming it's still correct, and found this amusing inverse relation in happiness with Americans versus Europeans:

Europeans are very happy when they only work some 16 hours a week, and then they start to steadily decrease in happiness as the hours of work increase.

With Americans, we get happier as we spend more time working, with the peak reaching about 40 hours a week and then happiness starts to drop off again.

This makes me wonder: Are you Europeans unable to find work that you guys actually enjoy? 16 hours a week of working is... nothing.

And back to guns: Until a gun randomly jumps up and tries to shoot me on its own, I am not worried about guns themselves, but people who use them. I support complete background checks on all guns sold, so that we can be much more certain about the quality of the person holding it. By then, what kind of gun it is matters very little if at all.

As an example: WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP: All of you: what is the first and most important rule of gun safety? WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP

Feel free to either PM me or reply in this topic. I want to know just how much you guys know about guns that makes you feel qualified to consider what kind of laws to pass about guns or not.

[Regulus]

^ stop this intelligent trolling nonsense. This is an argument about gun control.

As for the first and most important rule of gun safety, I can think of a few things:

Never point a gun at any living thing, or anything explosive.

Make sure the safety lock is on when the gun is not in use.

Never pull the trigger, even when the safety lock is on, and even when the gun is unloaded. Because the gun might be loaded, and the safety might be off.

Do not store a gun in an insecure place. You know, like where children could get to it.

Basically, to be safe around guns... don't use them.

[DGFone]

^ Of all the rules you just wrote down, non of them are the proper one.

The proper one is: "The guns is always loaded." It's not telling you that there is always a bullet in it, or that if its empty that you need to put one in, but rather that you always treat it as though it's loaded.

And this is precisely what I am talking about. People's experience with guns comes from movies, games, the very rare new story about a madman. And yet very few people ever saw a gun that wasn't a 9mm that a police officers carry.

In short, all this gun nonsense comes from pure emotion, and hardly any actual experience. Just as you wouldn't trust a math teacher to teach your History class, why do you feel like you guys are all suddenly qualified to classify guns as deadly machines with auto-targeting on innocents? This is what I see this topic as: A bunch of kids trying to decide what might qualify as "good laws" on something that most of you have no clew on. How many of you even held real gun?

[Woeler]

[quote="DGFone"]1. I don't care who you discriminate against. Muslims, Easter Europeans, non-Dutch.. I don't care.[/quote]
[quote="DGFone"]I never said that you personally discriminate against anyone. But the political party that you tell people to vote for is discriminating against others.[/quote]
Seems contradictory to me...

[quote="DGFone"]As for your link, it would be good and all except for the fact that it was published in April. Plus, I looked deeper (in the same website) assuming it's still correct, and found this amusing inverse relation in happiness with Americans versus Europeans:

Europeans are very happy when they only work some 16 hours a week, and then they start to steadily decrease in happiness as the hours of work increase.

With Americans, we get happier as we spend more time working, with the peak reaching about 40 hours a week and then happiness starts to drop off again.

This makes me wonder: Are you Europeans unable to find work that you guys actually enjoy? 16 hours a week of working is... nothing.[/quote]

The article you are refering to literally states the following:
- They have not used individual European countries
- This article does not say that working makes Europeans unhappy per se
- they compare when Europeans say "very happy" to when Americans say "happy"
- The article states that this is not good evidence to counterargue against the normal list.

Then (again) you are generalizing. Europeans includes everyone from Russia to Norway. Cultures are very different and income varies a lot. Then again the richest countries are in the top three which are the ones mentioned before.

What the article states: European happiness generally decresses if they work mre than 16 hours a week.
What you read: Europeans cannot find a job they like.

What is this? The foxnews interpretation?