Was Scar Loved?

[FlipMode]

[quote]f Disney was using this as inspiration, then Scar was showing Mufasa a severe and purposeful lack of respect.[/quote]
Well yeah but the villian who is plotting to kill his brother is fairly obvious a candidtae to be showing lack of respect. Otherwise I must say you made your point well and I agree, he was indeed loved.

[quote] "Nobody loved me -- there's the rub. Not even as a cub!"[/quote]
I never seen or read TLK on Broadway's script (i'd love to see it though) but he probably said that to attempt to create some sort of false sympathy for himself. But don't forget that alot of people who watch theses broadway things may just like watching them, and not know the story of TLK beyond the original Film.

And on the subject of him hating viloence, he seemed pretty s(c)arcastic when he said it. And if he was being serious, it's probably just because he kept getting pwned or thought he would, so tryed to avoid it.

[LionKing4EVR96]

I'm sure his family loved him, they just didn't show it.

[Muffy]

[quote="LionKing4EVR96"]I'm sure his family loved him, they just didn't show it.[/quote]

His family had to love him in some sort of way! He is part of the family, so yes I agree with you!

[WildSimba]

Before he killed Mufasa, people certainly didn't disrespect him, but at times they weren't kind. Most of the stuff he got yelled at for, was indeed his fault. But the fact that he was still in the pridelands (and Zazu even asks for his advice while Simba and Mufasa are in trouble in the stampede scene), shows that he must of still been loved.

[Cappio]

I love him along with all the outsiders 0.o

[WildSimba]

Okay... but this isn't asking if you loved them, this is asking if the characters in the film Loved him. LOL

[Simba]

well, I believe that Scar was indeed loved, but merely didn't realize. Ahadi I believe certainly did, and most likely Uru as well. and I believe that at some point Scar did truly believe he was loved, most likely when he was a cub. no doubt that Ahadi wouldn't give Taka as much attention as Mufasa, but simply because he was busy training the first-born of his sons to be king. he probably thought Taka understood, but after many broken promises that he couldn't help (incidents in running the kingdom like in the book where he breaks his promise to go hunting with Taka to try and resolve the problem over the water), Taka starting feeling left out and unloved. as they grew older, the situation only worsened as Ahadi had to spend even more time either with Mufasa or ruling the kingdom through tough times. as to his name, I have another theory a little bit different. I think they gave it to him because it meant "want," because they did in fact want him and wanted him to feel wanted. though, the truth of the matter is that Disney picks the names for a specific reason, like how Ahadi ironically means "promise." no doubt Disney used it for the meaning "want" because Scar wanted love, respect, admiration, and power. or as you said, "dirt" because his pelt is dirt-colored.

as to whether Mufasa loved his brother...I think he did when he was a cub, but as Taka became more difficult -and jealous of the love and respect that Mufasa got- that he eventually only came to care for his well-being as a member of the pride he'd one day rule. I also have a theory on the gap between the two of them. I believe that as cubs, Taka was probably closer to Sarabi than Mufasa. from what I've seen of her, my suspicion is that she was the adventurous one of the bunch (no doubt why she wasn't buying Simba's lie of the "really cool place" being the waterhole and sent Zazu with the cubs). perhaps while Mufasa was learning his lessons on being king (since we know from the books that Kopa received lessons as a cub), Taka would play with Sarabi often. certainly he was jealous of his brother before, but I think once he found out that his best friend was betrothed to his brother (since Zazu said the tradition goes back generations), that it made it all the worse. perhaps it even made him frustrated somewhat at Sarabi, which did nothing to make him anymore likable among the pride.

another thing is that Taka/Scar was originally merely ambitious. he didn't think his father loved him as much as his brother, but his idea of stealing the attention was to do things to make his father more proud of him than Mufasa. it was the hyenas that convinced him that Ahadi was ditching him, and gave him the idea to get revenge against his brother. I think that if he hadn't chosen to hang around with the wrong crowd, he would've turned out much different -perhaps even realizing he was loved by his parents just as much as Mufasa was.

and of course, he was clearly loved by Zira. I don't think he loved her in return the least bit, he possibly even found her annoying. once Nala left and the other lionesses wouldn't touch him, he only saw a way to have heirs and thus "immortality" through a continuing bloodline. Zira have two newborn cubs, one of them male, must have seemed like an amazing stroke of luck to him. and seeing Kovu, second born just like he was as, he took him in as his heir (unknowingly putting Nuka in the same situation he had been in when he was younger). Zira probably thought that would mean she would get to be his beloved queen, not knowing Scar simply wanted her cub. so seeing him as perhaps the only lion who she believed cared about her since her previous mate, she practically worshipped the ground he walked on. of course, he probably did allow for her to have special treatment while she nursed his heir, so she would've been unaware that he was using her (or perhaps she was already a little loose in the head and didn't care or believe it).

so in summary, I believe Ahadi and Uru loved him. Zira too, though in the crazed fangirl sorta way lol. and I believe several of the pride respected him and cared for his well-being as a pridemate, but didn't exactly like or love him because of his temper and sarcasm. Scar simply just no longer appreciated or understood they loved him at a certain point in his life.

[Muffy]

[quote="FlipMode"]
[quote] "Nobody loved me -- there's the rub. Not even as a cub!"[/quote]
I never seen or read TLK on Broadway's script (i'd love to see it though) but he probably said that to attempt to create some sort of false sympathy for himself. But don't forget that alot of people who watch theses broadway things may just like watching them, and not know the story of TLK beyond the original Film.

And on the subject of him hating viloence, he seemed pretty s(c)arcastic when he said it. And if he was being serious, it's probably just because he kept getting pwned or thought he would, so tryed to avoid it.[/quote]

I have to agree! He had to be attempting to create some sort of false information about himself. Or he may justbe saying that so the people who are watching the show feel bad for him and in the movie that people feel bad for him. He had to be loved by someone. Also Zira loved him. So he had to make up that line just to get the attenion of everyone.

And him hating viloence cant be true all the way! I mean he used much viloence in many ways! You couldnt just he hated it but but you couldnt say he loved it, it has to be in the middle (someone should make a topic on it)

[Pixie]

I believe that he was loved but didn't accept it because he was happy in his anger. I have witnessed people who are like this. You show them love and then shove it in your face, but then when you don't, they make you feel bad for it, and it's a vicious cycle.
They want to be unhappy. They crave anger and friction because they are so emotionally stunted that they have no other way to show emotion.
Scar was loved, maybe not as much as Mufasa, but he was. The quote "a sortof father-son.....thing" shows that he wasn't very attached to his father. This doesn't mean Ahadi didn't love him, just spent more time teaching the future king. Scar resented him for this and therefore became consumed in his anger, and emotionally stunted. Some could say he became a psychopath. I real one, that is. Not an NCIS type one who is nutty and kills everyone. Pscychopaths feel no emotion. That is the true definition. Not an axe-wielding murderer.

[SummerSnowLeopard]

Good question...I think Uru loved Scar very much. And, of course, Zira loved Scar too. I don't think Ahadi loved Scar. And I think Muffy did as a cub.