Religions

[Mikokat]

[quote="Neon"]And on the poll I do not see Islam. the second most populous religion.[/quote]

It falls under "Religious" in the "etc." category. >.>

[morri908]

Neon, we've proven what we've said to be true, that animals adapt to be better equipped to live. Adaptation is the change in a species to be able to survive in it's habitat, Evolution is nothing more then the concept that animals do change over time, and that eventually a new species of animal forms depending on it's habitat. I proved this with tigers, there are multiple subspecies of tiger and all are different, each of them has a different stripe pattern, weight, length, and multiple other differences that help them survive in their portion of the world.
Genetic drifting. You claim it to be mutations. Yet again we will go with Tigers, because they are a wonderful example. There is a "breed" of tigers, they are white in color, and many claim them to be their own "breed" or "subspecies" whatever. The white coloring is a double recessive trait (meaning that you have to breed a parent with it's sibling, and then it's offspring, or some kind of inbreeding like that). This trait is only present in the Bengal and Siberian subspecies of tiger, so any white tiger is really just a Siberian, Bengal, or a Siberian/Bengal mix. Even though that is true, there are people out there trying to get the "Royal White Tiger" recognized as it's own subspecies and they are also trying to claim that this subspecies is endangered (even though it does not exist in the wild, and never has). But this mutation is getting extremely common in captivity, so it is arguable that they are now a subspecies. This "mutation" is a (horrible) adaptation to what humans have tried doing to make a "beautiful" animal. You could call that "adaptation" a drift in the tiger's gene pool, due to the fact that there will now be an increased amount of these animals. And even though it's not going with the natural order of things, there could one day be a subspecies called Panthera tigris album (trinomial nomenclature is in latin... roughly translated that means fast or arrow like white cat..) This is an example of "genetic drifting" of a group of animals, they changed because of their environment (captivity) and are now "better suited" for their environment (zoos.. cages..photographs), and may one day become a new tiger subspecies. This genetic drift, is a mutation, and is part of evolving. Maybe one day we will breed white tigers to be 8 feet tall walk upright on two legs like we do... Which would be the evolution of the tiger into humanoid creature.

Have I proven to you enough that evolution is real, that it does exist. Maybe you don't want to call it that, but you've said it yourself that animals change overtime to be better equipped for their environment. This change doesn't happen in every member of a species, because the same species can sometimes be found on multiple continents, meaning they couldn't have reproduced with each other.. So one group of animals could have changed into a new animal, and the other group could have stayed the same. Evolution is the adaptation of a species to it's habitat over a period of time.

[Neon]

[quote="Mikokat"][quote="Neon"]And on the poll I do not see Islam. the second most populous religion.[/quote]

It falls under "Religious" in the "etc." category. >.>[/quote]
Oh yeah
[quote="morri908"]Neon, we've proven what we've said to be true, that animals adapt to be better equipped to live. Adaptation is the change in a species to be able to survive in it's habitat, Evolution is nothing more then the concept that animals do change over time, and that eventually a new species of animal forms depending on it's habitat. I proved this with tigers, there are multiple subspecies of tiger and all are different, each of them has a different stripe pattern, weight, length, and multiple other differences that help them survive in their portion of the world.
Genetic drifting. You claim it to be mutations. Yet again we will go with Tigers, because they are a wonderful example. There is a "breed" of tigers, they are white in color, and many claim them to be their own "breed" or "subspecies" whatever. The white coloring is a double recessive trait (meaning that you have to breed a parent with it's sibling, and then it's offspring, or some kind of inbreeding like that). This trait is only present in the Bengal and Siberian subspecies of tiger, so any white tiger is really just a Siberian, Bengal, or a Siberian/Bengal mix. Even though that is true, there are people out there trying to get the "Royal White Tiger" recognized as it's own subspecies and they are also trying to claim that this subspecies is endangered (even though it does not exist in the wild, and never has). But this mutation is getting extremely common in captivity, so it is arguable that they are now a subspecies. This "mutation" is a (horrible) adaptation to what humans have tried doing to make a "beautiful" animal. You could call that "adaptation" a drift in the tiger's gene pool, due to the fact that there will now be an increased amount of these animals. And even though it's not going with the natural order of things, there could one day be a subspecies called Panthera tigris album (trinomial nomenclature is in latin... roughly translated that means fast or arrow like white cat..) This is an example of "genetic drifting" of a group of animals, they changed because of their environment (captivity) and are now "better suited" for their environment (zoos.. cages..photographs), and may one day become a new tiger subspecies. This genetic drift, is a mutation, and is part of evolving. Maybe one day we will breed white tigers to be 8 feet tall walk upright on two legs like we do... Which would be the evolution of the tiger into humanoid creature.

Have I proven to you enough that evolution is real, that it does exist. Maybe you don't want to call it that, but you've said it yourself that animals change overtime to be better equipped for their environment. This change doesn't happen in every member of a species, because the same species can sometimes be found on multiple continents, meaning they couldn't have reproduced with each other.. So one group of animals could have changed into a new animal, and the other group could have stayed the same. Evolution is the adaptation of a species to it's habitat over a period of time.[/quote]
Quoted Golden Answer. This is what I'm looking for. Since the cards are laid. You have an interesting summary of what you believe in. You made your point at made many examples to support the reliablility of your claim. You have explained to the smallest bit to make a deemed useful source.

[Annie]

Atheist.

Though, I respect what other people believe in, even if I don't.


However
I do like to make up my own religions ^^ I have a good one going right now!

[Baya]

I really think this thread is dangerous for trolling and arguments o.o...

[thelionpride556]

I am not religious, although I do believe in God.

[WildSimba]

[quote="thelionpride556"]I am not religious, although I do believe in God.[/quote]

Your Agnostic then.

[thelionpride556]

[quote="WildSimba"][quote="thelionpride556"]I am not religious, although I do believe in God.[/quote]

Your Agnostic then.[/quote]

Oh.

[Panda-chan]

The way I see it, anyone's beliefs could be correct. We simply don't know, and can't know. There are some realities that humans are incapable of grasping, such as dividing by zero or what lies beyond the universe. How do we know science isn't one of these illusions? Simply put, science is a rigid set of rules that defines our natural world, with virtually everything classified as either "scientifically correct" or "impossible". But what we say is impossible is only so according to the laws of science. Are there not more rules that govern our universe? After all, there are so many things that cannot be proven scientifically, such as infinity or the presence of black holes, yet we still know they exist. Same may go for the gods/spirits/whatever you believe in.
We live within our own small spheres of influence and beyond this know nothing, since we will never be able to penetrate them no matter how far we progress scientifically. Why else do you think time travel is deemed impossible by scientists? Because the idea is simply illogical in our limited perceptions. But perhaps in another dimension, or another universe, all the things that contradict science are the ones that actually make sense. We may never know. I get the feeling there's a lot more to life than what we perceive through our senses, but this is something us humans will never fully be able to understand. We have been bestowed with great knowledge, but that knowledge has limits and boundaries that we will simply never be able to overcome.
Believe me, I have done my fair amount of excessive thinking on this subject, probably more than any other member here, even though I am only 13. Many times from pondering too hard on this I've felt dizzy or come close to fainting, not kidding.

[morri908]

[quote="Amanda"]The way I see it, anyone's beliefs could be correct. We simply don't know, and can't know. There are some realities that humans are incapable of grasping, such as dividing by zero or what lies beyond the universe. How do we know science isn't one of these illusions? Simply put, science is a rigid set of rules that defines our natural world, with virtually everything classified as either "scientifically correct" or "impossible". But what we say is impossible is only so according to the laws of science. Are there not more rules that govern our universe? After all, there are so many things that cannot be proven scientifically, such as infinity or the presence of black holes, yet we still know they exist. Same may go for the gods/spirits/whatever you believe in.
We live within our own small spheres of influence and beyond this know nothing, since we will never be able to penetrate them no matter how far we progress scientifically. Why else do you think time travel is deemed impossible by scientists? Because the idea is simply illogical in our limited perceptions. But perhaps in another dimension, or another universe, all the things that contradict science are the ones that actually make sense. We may never know. I get the feeling there's a lot more to life than what we perceive through our senses, but this is something us humans will never fully be able to understand. We have been bestowed with great knowledge, but that knowledge has limits and boundaries that we will simply never be able to overcome.
Believe me, I have done my fair amount of excessive thinking on this subject, probably more than any other member here, even though I am only 13. Many times from pondering too hard on this I've felt dizzy or come close to fainting, not kidding. [/quote]


Damn, you be saying what i said earlier... That it doesn't matter what you believe in, because noone knows the right answer.. lol