Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby Wereberess » April 17th, 2010, 5:18 pm

Kovu DID have some sort of contact with Scar. And it wasn't spirtual at all.
Deleted scenes don't interest me at all. They were taken out of the storyline so they have nothing to do with it.
Nuka, however says Scar wasn't his father but TOOK HIM IN.
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby Skittakallista » April 19th, 2010, 9:18 pm

I think that Kovu was born after Scars reign, so no.
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby KopsTheTerminator » April 19th, 2010, 9:42 pm

My theory on that is that Kovu was born during Scar's reign, and no other cubs were born until Simba exiled the Outsiders. I also believe that Zira lied to Scar and told him that Kovu was his son, then a few days later, Simba comes back and claims the throne. The little hair tuft in Kovu's head might prove that he was older than Kiara, since he started growing a tuft/mane.
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby KiarasMate » April 19th, 2010, 10:48 pm

The only issues I have with believing that Kovu was around before Scar died, is the age difference thing that would have to be present between Kovu and Kiara when they are cubs. Just from the sheer amount of time that had to have passed for the lands to recover from Scar's reign, it would lead me to believe that Kovu would probably be a young adolescent at best by the time him and Kiara met for the first time in the movie. :)
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby KiarasMate » April 19th, 2010, 10:54 pm

[quote="Wereberess"]Kovu DID have some sort of contact with Scar. And it wasn't spirtual at all.
Deleted scenes don't interest me at all. They were taken out of the storyline so they have nothing to do with it.
Nuka, however says Scar wasn't his father but TOOK HIM IN.[/quote]


Deleted scenes still have more legitimacy to them than material that wasn't meant to be in the movie in the first place however. It was clear that they would have had some spot in the movie, yet were taken out for various reasons, so to just disregard them altogether is simply ignoring more evidence that might help to shed some light upon this topic.
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby KopsTheTerminator » April 19th, 2010, 11:32 pm

[quote="KiarasMate"]The only issues I have with believing that Kovu was around before Scar died, is the age difference thing that would have to be present between Kovu and Kiara when they are cubs. Just from the sheer amount of time that had to have passed for the lands to recover from Scar's reign, it would lead me to believe that Kovu would probably be a young adolescent at best by the time him and Kiara met for the first time in the movie. :)[/quote]

That's true. Perhaps lions in the Outlands can't mature as fast as normal lions due to lack of food and water. (look at Nuka, he's an adult yet he looks like a teen lion o.O)
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby KiarasMate » April 19th, 2010, 11:37 pm

Yes, that's also a possibility as well, but I would have expected Kovu to be treated a little better than Nuka, seeing as he was The Chosen One after all, and from what we see when he grows up, he's in quite healthy looking shape, probably because of all his training, but also probably because Zira fed him a lot better than perhaps Nuka. :) It's just too unclear of how much time really did pass between the scene when Pride Rock was on fire, to the very end of TLK. ^^
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby Wereberess » April 20th, 2010, 12:46 am

But it rained after that fire. I think that would have something to do with the replenishing of the lands. Simba being there could've have just magically made the grass grow. And whose to say Simba and Nala didn't mate in the jungle, her being pregnant during the whole pridelanders recovery thing. 3 months(or maybe longer who knows) would be enough time for lands to recover to SOME extent. (That and during the presentation we weren't shown the entire pridelands. Some could've still been damaged.) At least bring back some of the herds. Maybe after the few months or weeks it takes Kiara to become a cub the lands replenished even more.

As for Kovu being treated better. I think this has nothing to do with much. I think Nuka was just not to concerned for his health or cleanliness. If what you guys say is true, Vitani should've been in the same condition as Kovu and Zira should've as well. Vitani was her daughter, a very good spy, and sort of a second in command.(Which would explain the outlanders iffiness to fight the pridelanders when Vitani says enough.) Zira was the one training Kovu to kill Simba if she wasn't up to par Kovu wouldn't be either(if not that probably explains why kovu was knocked out by a rock XD ). Besides what Nuka says says it all "Kovu was taken in by Scar." So he had to be around during Kovu's birth.
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby KiarasMate » April 20th, 2010, 1:08 am

Well, if you're going to go by what Nuka stated then, that would mean that Kovu would have been even older than just an adolescent when he met Kiara, if he was around when Scar was. >.> And as for Nuka not taking care of himself, this is true but it's hard to keep up ones own health if there's very little food and water around to begin with, such as Zira stated. I don't really think it was much by choice, but rather that Nuka just got the short end of the stick is all. Out of all The Outlanders, Kovu developed the best, which tends to hint that he was given better treatment, or else he would have turned out a lot more like the others. Vitani still seemed slightly malnourished if you ask me though. >.>
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Re: Was Scar Around For Kovu's Birth?

Postby divsalley » April 21st, 2010, 3:15 am

I don't think scar was around when Kovu was born. He probably just assumed that one of the cubs Zira was carrying would be a male and decided to name it his heir... For the most part, I think Kovu would be Kopa's age. And since we KNOW Kiara was born a little while AFTER Kopa disappeared/ died, that would explain the minor age difference between Kovu and Kiara
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