Kopa! {For kopa fans everywhere}

[Akril]

[quote="Nicholas"]p-s It's ok if you like Kopa, but just get over the fact that he doesn't exist in the movie universe. He only exists in the 6 new adventures books.[/quote]He also stars in the two Karussell audio dramas "Fight for the Throne" and "Friends for Life"(which I think are better than TLK6NA in a lot of ways, although there is some lack of continuity with TLK6NA).

And regarding the whole "Kopa exists/Kopa doesn't exist" argument, I again bring up the example of Speck from the "Pup and Circumstance" Toy Story comic, which was published long before Toy Story 2. Andy's puppy is named Speck in that story, and Speck looks considerably different than Buster in Toy Story 2. Speck didn't die tragically and get "replaced" by Buster -- the comic and the movie just exist in different continuities. It's the same thing here. Fans are free to lump the TLK book and movie universes together if they want to, but bear in mind that they are separate entities.

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote="Akril"][quote="Nicholas"]Fans are free to lump the TLK book and movie universes together if they want to, but bear in mind that they are separate entities.[/quote][/quote]


They are free to do that, but that still doesn't take away the fact that Kopa doesn't appear in the movie universe no matter what Kopa fans say or think. It's just as you said with Speck from the Toy Story comic: TLK books and movies are DIFFRENT continuities, and therefore, cannot be linked together in any way (except in fanfictions). And this is also the error alot of Kopa fans make, by linking both the TLK6NA books and movies together. Why are they doing that? Simply because of the fact that Kopa only appears in books does not appease them.

My argument is to those type of Kopa fans mostly.

[longlivethequeen]

Please stop argueing this is my opinion and everybody has their own just please dont argue thanks

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote="longlivethequeen"]Please stop argueing this is my opinion and everybody has their own just please dont argue thanks [/quote]

Well, as silly as it sounds, by creating a topic you actually promote arguing. Why? Because people have a right to agree or disagree. Especially when it's about Kopa. When you create a Topic, you already know and accept that there will always be the possibility that someone might criticise it, even when you state that only Kopa-fans may visit this thread. And criticising and/or arguing is a good thing because it's a sign of freedom and should be allowed.

LOL Don't get me wrong though, I'm not mad or anything.

[longlivethequeen]

Ok then i just dident want it to get to extreme though anyways i guess it isent that bad unless theirs name callin so yeah i just dident want it to go to the extreme

[iippu]

-First of all, Fluffy does not look like Kiara. Of course the movie creators were different and at first they didn't even think of a sequel for the movie, but I still find that as a meaningful detail.
-Simba had a rough childhood because his father died, but I think that's not a reason to keep an eye on your daughter all the and be scared for her life. Losing your first child really is a more understandable reason to treat your second child like that.
-The theory of Zira killing Kopa would explain perfectly why Zira was banished from the Pridelands and why Simba is so angry at her.
-And the last but not least, Disney movies encourage us to use our imagination. I think that we all should use it and not always think about what happened in the movies or what hasn't been shown in them. We can make our own characters and stories, and no one should be nagging about that. Because, all of us are different and we all have different ways to think.
Thank you for understanding.

[SlayerOfLight]

[quote]-First of all, Fluffy does not look like Kiara. Of course the movie creators were different and at first they didn't even think of a sequel for the movie, but I still find that as a meaningful detail. [/quote]

Do your homework, Fluffy was later given the identity of Kiara. They just remade Kiara's birth scene in Simba's pride, that's why Fluffy looks diffrent then Kiara. Simba's Pride starts where the first movie ended, Fluffy/Kiara's birth. It's even confirmed by the creators.

[quote]-Simba had a rough childhood because his father died, but I think that's not a reason to keep an eye on your daughter all the and be scared for her life. Losing your first child really is a more understandable reason to treat your second child like that.
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If you would have payed any attention to the second movie, you'll notice in the beginning that Simba and Nala were arguing over Kiara's safety.

Nala: ''She's just like you were when you were young." Simba: "Exactly. Do you remember the dangers we put ourselves in?"

Simba explained over there why he is so overprotective over Kiara; because she can get herself in trouble just like he did as a cub. He didn't mention anything about Kopa being killed. You can disagree with it, but that still won't change the fact that Kopa is nowhere to bee seen or heared off in the whole movie.

[quote]The theory of Zira killing Kopa would explain perfectly why Zira was banished from the Pridelands and why Simba is so angry at her.
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First of all, a ''Theory'' isn't a fact. Second, Zira was banished with the other outsider lionesses because she remained loyal to Scar. It's that simple.

[quote]And the last but not least, Disney movies encourage us to use our imagination. I think that we all should use it and not always think about what happened in the movies or what hasn't been shown in them. [/quote]

We have something called ''fanfictions'' for that. You can't just twist the original storyline of the movie and pretend it is true.

[TheLionPrince]

[quote="iippu"]-Simba had a rough childhood because his father died, but I think that's not a reason to keep an eye on your daughter all the and be scared for her life. Losing your first child really is a more understandable reason to treat your second child like that.[/quote]

Mufasa's death would be a perfectly understandable reason for his over protection. Simba was still psychologically traumatized. He was betrayed by his uncle and lost his father in the most unfair way possible. The nightmare he had is a common symptom in people who suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Since the Outsiders ally themselves with Scar, Simba is justified in banishing them, given he doesn't want her life to suffer as his did, and they are "backstabbing murderers" calling for the blood of the Pride Landers. Zira even confirms this in "My Lullaby" when she wants to hear, "The sound of Simba's dying gasp. His daughter [Kiara] squealing in my grasp". In the end, Simba's own traumatic past is often of a reason for his over protection.

[quote="iippu"]The theory of Zira killing Kopa would explain perfectly why Zira was banished from the Pridelands and why Simba is so angry at her.[/quote]

No, it isn't. Not only because Kopa is nowhere mentioned in the sequel, but if Zira killed Kopa, Nala would also be protective as Simba over her daughter, but we see that she is laid back about Kiara's protection. As I mentioned before, if Kopa was killed by Zira, Simba wouldn't have sent Timon and Pumbaa to protect her because they could easily be killed by the Outsiders. Simba would have send in stronger reinforcement over her daughter. Finally, the biggest flaw of the theory is that the age gap between Kiara and Kovu would be much wider than as seen in the movie.

[quote="iippu"]And the last but not least, Disney movies encourage us to use our imagination. I think that we all should use it and not always think about what happened in the movies or what hasn't been shown in them. We can make our own characters and stories, and no one should be nagging about that. Because, all of us are different and we all have different ways to think.
Thank you for understanding.[/quote]

You are free to use your imagination as you like. Half of what told is Simba's Pride is left unexplained, and it's creative to use fanfiction to try to solve them. However, just don't promote the "Zira killed Kopa" as if it were true. It only confuses people who aren't familiar with the Kopa books, and the book and movie universe will forever be separate entities.