Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby Jiirani » July 8th, 2011, 5:28 pm

Interesting thoughts there... I think it would make a good fanfiction or roleplay, in which Simba is the villian. Regardless, it's always good to see new theories out there, and who knows, maybe even possible, and I think it's very original, but I think few people on this board will agree with it.
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby TheLionQueen » July 8th, 2011, 6:44 pm

Yeah hey I'm gonna try at that fanfic ;)
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby Pixie » July 10th, 2011, 9:13 am

That's waaaay too deep for me :P
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby Nadra » July 10th, 2011, 11:28 pm

What an interesting article! :lol: I've never thought that Simba would be the real villain.
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby cioz » July 14th, 2011, 2:56 am

So basically i came here because im the actual author. Totally no offense, i believe that there are, exactly as I mentioned in my theory, undercurrents that are not totally considered throughout the film.
Indeed, it was made by Disney, but Disney is not a simple childish film company. In other words, if Disney were a childish film company, it would not have such a widespread group of audiences, especially for TLK.
Everything requires analyzation, for the numerous articles or book written in "childish" tones do not always simply convey a simple meaning, and in the light of this statement, analyzation is needed.
We definitely could think that TLK covers a basic story about revenge, but this kind of cliche could not withstand from deep analysis.

For some deep thoughts: As a little line, what Simba was thinking was that "I can't just wait to be king", which is a dangerous thought. Comparing w/ Kiara, what she said was "what if i dont wanna be queen, there's no fun", we could see that Simba's thought was like an usurper, not an innocent child.
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby Azdgari » July 15th, 2011, 10:58 pm

Why would Disney go so far out of their way to show how much Simba loves Mufasa though?
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby Baya » July 16th, 2011, 12:37 am

I really think this is pushing it. To be honest, I think the main conspirator is indeed Scar. The point is, Simba was a cub when he said "I just can't wait to be king". Timon and Pumba are not sound in the mind, so how the hell could they be in anyway Machiavellian ? I am a fan of digging deep into some things, but this is one field that is exactly what it is. Scar = bad guy, Simba = innocent by-stander. I could say that Jesus was a conspirator if I twisted enough of his words around.
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby KopsTheTerminator » July 16th, 2011, 10:30 pm

[quote="cioz"]For some deep thoughts: As a little line, what Simba was thinking was that "I can't just wait to be king", which is a dangerous thought. Comparing w/ Kiara, what she said was "what if i dont wanna be queen, there's no fun", we could see that Simba's thought was like an usurper, not an innocent child.[/quote]

Nope.

1. Simba was WAY too young to even come up with such a twisted plot.
2. ...really? Who HASN'T pictured themselves as kings and queens as children? Disney just tried to make Kiara Simba's opposite. Your argument is invalid.
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby FlipMode » July 16th, 2011, 11:25 pm

[quote="cioz"]So basically i came here because im the actual author. Totally no offense, i believe that there are, exactly as I mentioned in my theory, undercurrents that are not totally considered throughout the film.
Indeed, it was made by Disney, but Disney is not a simple childish film company. In other words, if Disney were a childish film company, it would not have such a widespread group of audiences, especially for TLK.
Everything requires analyzation, for the numerous articles or book written in "childish" tones do not always simply convey a simple meaning, and in the light of this statement, analyzation is needed.
We definitely could think that TLK covers a basic story about revenge, but this kind of cliche could not
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There is a line between analysis and over analysing. Over analysing is the process where you look so hard into something that in reality is very simple and in doing so your mind picks up on things that were not intended to be there. What I am trying to say is, while what you are saying could make sense, it is just simply not true.

The fact is has a widespread appeal has nothing to do with it either, for example me being 19 I would say I am one of the more older fans of the film (granted there are way more older fans than me but nonetheless) and the reason I like it is because I can sympathise with the plot premise of loosing family members, retaking pride and what not. But that in no way means that there is some kind of hidden plot element. The fact is, if it were true then they would have just... You know, put it in the film.
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Re: Why Simba is the true Conspirator

Postby Baya » July 17th, 2011, 1:50 am

This sort of reminds me of how over analytical people are about Catcher and the Rye. The author went into hiding because people took his message indirectly, and that is whats being done here. I hate to criticize your hard work, but it's simply not the case with the lion king. I can see many Nazi, Soviet or other Imperialistic symbolism in the movies, but a child manipulating a mastermind ego maniac? Not likely.
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