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Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby ValiantVitani » August 8th, 2019, 5:10 am

I was thinking about this, and while, obviously, she would know that he took over when Mufasa died, did she know Scar was responsible for that? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I don't recall Zira ever saying anything at all about what Scar did as king, or how he became king. Now, this could be because she didn't want to let her kids, and especially Kovu, know about the true nature of the lion they were fighting to avenge. It would probably be problematic if they knew the truth of the story. However, I was thinking about a different possibility.

What if Zira legitimately did not know that Scar was responsible for Mufasa's death or Simba's flight? If she simply believed Scar's story that Mufasa died trying to save Simba, her vendetta against Simba makes a lot more sense. If she truly believed that Scar was the rightful king and had taken the throne legitimately in the aftermath of tragedy, it is completely understandable why she would hate Simba so; if this version of events were true, then it would be Simba who killed (indirectly) the legitimate king and deposed him. Not to mention, Simba fleeing in the aftermath of the death and then returning later would make it seem likely that he was in some way responsible from an in-world perspective. And it would explain why she was so defiant and zealous even after the rest of her group switched sides; she would legitimately believe her cause was just and that the other side was evil, choosing to die instead of joining them makes sense in that case.

What do you think, is Zira simply being unaware of the full story behind Scar's rise to power a plausible explanation for her behavior and devotion to Scar even after his death?
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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby The Resilient One » August 9th, 2019, 2:03 am

I'd like to believe that Zira truly believed Scar to be as high and mighty as she perceived him to be. Perhaps she was away in a hunting party with a group of other lionesses when Simba confronted Scar, and thus didn't overhear his confession. Or, she could have known the truth all along, yet just chose to continue blindly follow him out of some sort of twisted admiration.
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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby TheBlackCatCrossing » August 9th, 2019, 5:39 pm

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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby Anonymousething » August 27th, 2019, 10:10 pm

Not to mention the "So you found yourself somebody who'd chase Simba up a tree" line from Nuka during the "My Lullaby" song... How would he know about that? ;)

I always imagined a backstory involving her joining the Pridelands during Scar's reign and being so grateful to him (possibly due to him not killing Nuka) that she ignored all the bad deeds he did. That aside, knowing Scar he could have toned down what he did or justified it somehow. Either way, it seems she almost certainly knew :evil: .
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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby Elton John » September 3rd, 2019, 2:21 am

i think that chasing simba up a tree bit makes more sense if you look at it from a songwriters point of view... it rhymes well enough, disney isn’t paying you as much as someone like howard ashman or tim rice nor are you as good as them at songwriting. it rhymes well with what comes next and to be blunt the songwriters for the direct to video sequels were not nearly as good as the songwriters for the theatrical movies.

Sometimes the songwriters for the dtv sequels could write a decent song that flows well, fits well thematically, is logical, entertaining, etc. but not most of the time.

someone like howard ashman was a lyrical genius who died way too early :(
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