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Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

Postby Carambulesco » July 25th, 2017, 9:02 pm

Months ago I've formulated a theory that inputs the homo sapiens species in the universe of The Lion King's franchise, but that theory have presented some mistakes and some lack of informations that I'll show now in this... "update".
And again, The Lion King can happen in any time of history, EXCEPT after the years that I introduce. I'm only trying to to fit humans on The Lion King's universe or at least prove that it is not a impossible thing to happen.

Let's start on the supposed year that The Pridelands was founded:

The founder of the kingdom was Mohatu as we already know, but how can we measure the year Mohatu founded The Pridelands?

To have some idea of the decade of Mohatu's reign, 'cause no one knows how long exactly each king of The Pridelands reigned, I took an average of how long each lion lives and put it on the line of lion kings of the kingdom. The Pridelands, if we count that Kovu will be a king for sure, has 6 kings: Mohatu, Ahadi, Mufasa, Scar, Simba and Kovu.

But now I have to explain why The Lion King can't takes place in 1889 onward:

This is the political map in Africa in 1888.

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I named Arusha and Kajiado regions for easier understanding.

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Arusha, which is nothing more or less then the region of half Pridelands territory. The other half is the province of Kajiado. In the 1888 map of Africa, region did not have any human activity (no activity that The Lion King 2 have to show, even in the end of the movie).

On year later the brits estibilishes a protectorate on Kajiado, problably finishing The Pridelands because all lions will be dead at this point. So, 1889 is the year The Lion King ends, basically. Nine years after the germans takes Arusha, but it doesn't matter anymore.


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Explained, I can very well suppose that Kovu was the last king, and I can suppose that his reign lasted only two years (1887-1889) for two personal reasons: I wanna make Kovu's reign being massively interrupted by humans in the african colonial race. The other reason is... why not?
So let's start with the age of the Pridelands Kingdom. As I said before, I took an average of how long each lion lives which is 12 years.

Then:
Kovu's reign: two years (1887-1889);
Simba's reign: twelve years (1875-1887);
Scar's reign: two years, counting the years Simba took to grow up, (1873-1875);
Mufasa's reign: ten years (1863-1873);
Ahadi's reign: twelve years (1851-1863);
And finally Mohatu's reign: eleven years, one year removed 'cause he was too... "adventurous" (1840-1851).

47 Years of Pridelands. That's a good way to tell a history.

Some evidences of "humanity" in The Lion King

A dam?!
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-I don't know if it have a ultra giant beaver living in around the Pridelands making dams in rivers, but that is a thing humans will make to supply more eficiently water for his colonies at the coast.
In the Lion King 2, after the battle scene, Zira pulls Kiara to a "canyon" when a tall dam of old boles collapses (by Mufasa, maybe?) and throws tons of water to kill Zira drowned, or... maybe she survived? Not sure. Is there any chance to natural phenomena make this large wall made of trunks?

"Ah! egyptian cobra!"
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-That might be goofy, but simple act to say "egyptian" makes the humanty, even if it has been extinguished centuries later, a true event that marks the Prideland's vocabulary. Even because Ono could have said "Naja" instead of "egyptian cobra".

The Discrepancy

The Maasai people

That's a simple way to destroy this theory 'cause the Maasai lives for thousands of years in the border of Tanzania and Kenya. These people should have appeard in the at least once in Lion King franchise, but it didn't happen. My hyphotesys is the Pridelanders are the Maasai people adapted to wild life habits, but still doesn't explain why Mohatu makes his leadership into a monarchy, but I guess that it was only to make the title movie looks pretty.

About the "The Lost Gorillas" episode, the mountain can be any mountain 2 miles around the Pridelands. Nothing of Congo lands or something.

Bibliographic References

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzKejJIwieE
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxkvNsuHK1g&t (this video is in brazilian portuguese)
- The Lion King 2
- The Lion Guard
- Theory made by: Me.
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Re: Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

Postby TheLionPrince » July 26th, 2017, 4:34 am

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Re: Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

Postby Carambulesco » July 26th, 2017, 2:05 pm

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Re: Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

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Re: Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

Postby TheLionPrince » July 27th, 2017, 4:11 pm

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Re: Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

Postby Squeely » July 28th, 2017, 8:02 pm

Very well-researched points in this thread! I had never given the dam much thought but now that it's been brought up, it really is odd. Seems perhaps a bit too orderly to be naturally-occurring, and the fact that there appears to be not much in the way of non-log debris seems further unnatural still. My guess is either humans, or a diplomatic agreement between another animal ruler or something, that lead to the animals of the Pridelands damming it (elephants likely being the best contributors to its construction).

Here's a little theory I have: some of the animals have been around humans. Shenzi has heard humans talk about club sandwiches, and Timon and Pumbaa are familiar with things such as beepers, potpourri, luaus, and have heard the song The Lion Sleeps Tonight by The Tokens. Otherwise, the jokes they make make little sense. Why would they make the jokes they do if such things don't exist yet? Of course, this brings up a rather interesting question of canon - if we write their jokes off as merely, well, non-canon jokes meant to make the audience laugh, that's fine I suppose. But then, they did say/do these things. I personally find it fun to think they're mocking humans by repeating things they've heard from them. The reference to beepers, though, would place Kiara's older teenhood/early adulthood in at least the 1980s, if not 90s.
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Re: Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

Postby Elton John » July 28th, 2017, 8:10 pm

The writers probably never gave those references much thought, they're there to spice up the movie a bit.

I like to think of the pridelands as this mystical place either before humanity or where humans never existed period.
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Re: Humans in The Lion King Universe. Updated theory.

Postby SimbaSam » August 7th, 2017, 2:16 am

Hmmm now I have like some closure and a far better perspective on whether or not humans are in the tlkverse...I'd like to think there is a peaceful knowledge of humans on our characters side loooool This was some awesome stuff to read though you guys are building real theories with scientific evidence right here on this sight!!!
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