who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby Taka1995 » July 7th, 2015, 2:11 pm

Did Sarafina really mate with him? And in the other case, if Ni was her father, does Nala know him?
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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby Ninaroja » July 7th, 2015, 4:32 pm

Ni is from the books - not canon and not made/owned by Disney. Therefore, not him.

I'm not sure if it has ever been officially confirmed/denied by any of the film makers, but since Disney is a "family friendly" company in don't think thy would allow incest in any of their films. If Scar was Nala's father it would make her and Simba cousins, not to mention in a deleted scene Scar was going to try and seduce Nala and make her his queen.

Conclusion, neither.
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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby TheLionPrince » July 8th, 2015, 12:44 am

Like Ninaroja, neither of them are Nala's father. Two more clues as to why Scar couldn't be Nala's father is (1) Nala never refers to Scar as her father or vice versa and (2) Scar chastises the hyenas for failing to depose of Simba and Nala. Since Scar is trying to usurp the throne in order to become the new king, it wouldn't be wise for him to kill his own child and heir if he does inherit the throne. And as The Lion King II shown, he did take into consideration about having a successor.
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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby Carl » July 8th, 2015, 4:02 am

Well, Disney said they didn't make a father for Nala because he wasn't a necessary character and they didn't think anyone would notice his absence... I'll try to find it, not that anyone will pay it any mind since proof doesn't change people's minds.... but canonically, neither is Nala's father, her father simply doesn't exist.
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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby VoxLight » July 8th, 2015, 4:49 pm

I have a fairly non Canon Family tree of TLK, obviously its not a reliable source, in it Shaako is nala's father, Nala has a sister Mheetu, Kiara and kovu have 5 cubs (4 boys 1 Girl) and Nala and kovu have a son, Koda. Obviously its not canon, and i doubt its very true, but its a fun little wallpaper and it brings so many thoughts of how it all may have happened..... man I might just name it as an alternate timeline and write a series of books. sorry getting off topic, anyway that was just my two cents.

But honestly, even though it would be incest for scar to be nalas father, it technically wouldn't be, the animal kingdom really doesn't have any rules about that, in fact, the "King" of any pride would mate with all the lionesses over and over, and anytime theirs a new leader (such as scar becoming king after killing mufassa and "killing" simba) usually that lion would execute all the cubs so that he could mate with all the lionesses and all the cubs would be his blood. oops getting of topic again. besides "that's" the real world.
and we all no that none of that stuff applies when we are talking about Disney.

Anyway, i think its very possible scar could be her father, as he would be evil enough to try to seduce his daughter into being with him.
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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby Iberian » July 8th, 2015, 9:47 pm

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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby VoxLight » July 8th, 2015, 10:05 pm

Tee... Hee.... :evil: and :D in the same frame..... in a somewhat ROMANTIC! or SEXUAL! form would be hard to imagine..... hmmm.... but would make for a very interesting fanfic cover... Maybe it could happen in an alternate timeline.... ehh but who knows. I think i'd stick with the idea that there is a big possibility that either one of them could be her father, but in reality, its more likely mufassa is her father. Even though its never acknowledged in the films.
20% Scar
20% Ni
40% Mufassa
Thats my rating on how likely they are probably her father.
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Just wanted to add, why not just get her DNA tested?Oh Yeah... scars dead and Ni...i actually don't know the whole story, ill have to go look it up. we'll just have to travel to africa, find a map to The Pride Lands, and hope that none of the carnivorous felines there eat us after trying to get dna samples.'
opps, getting really off topic '.'
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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby Carl » July 8th, 2015, 10:18 pm

From the wiki...

According to Tom Bancroft, one of the lead animators for The Lion King, the issues of Nala's father was brought up very late, and eventually ignored as they figured no one would notice him not being there.


In 2004, when asked about who is Nala's father, according to Brian Tiemann, Minkoff, and Allers "began laughing, ribbing each other, making little sidelong jibes". Eventually, Minkoff pointed towards Allers, jokily mentioning he was the father. They concluded their answer with Minkoff muttering into his sleeve, that the general assumption was that Nala's father was "either Scar or...Mufasa."


Contrary to belief, the directors of The Lion King did contemplate who Nala's father might've been. Albeit jokingly said, he was at least thought about as a character, but had no place in the movie. In the end, the two directors just hoped no one would notice his absence, effectively scrapping him.


That second quote, I am unsure of the credibility of, but I have seen the other two mentioned in official paraphernalia somewhere, so I think it is safe to assume that Nala's father was not Scar or Mufasa or Ni canonically.
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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby VoxLight » July 8th, 2015, 10:39 pm

Alright, If, lets say the lion king was not made for kids, and was based on a very realistic african plain located on earth, then it would be safe to say that nala is mufassa's daughter, point being, there is only ever one male Per Pride, as in Nala's dare it points out how ni was exiled for his male affinity. Because of this, lets say that, in this metaforical african plain on earth, scar is not part of the pride, and was exiled after Ahadi (mufassa and scars father) died and mufassa became "King". this would mean, mufassa would have mated with all the lionesses, and its very possible as simba is the ONLY male cub ever shown in the pride (well really nala and simba are the ONLY cubs depicted in the movies, besides kiara in simbas pride). Which means that most likely simba would have naturally mated (in this metaforical Pride Land) with all the lionesses, including safarani and his mother.

So Canocally, Mufassa is probably nalas father, just as there would have been no other males, (besides scar) but as it was shown, scar had mated with Zira, and they had nuka, but then scar died and Kovu and Vitani where fathered by Cole, in the second movie Nuka mentions how he should have been "The Chosen One" as he was actually scars son! and kovu was not! Any way, i dont want to sound like im arguing so i am going to end this post by saying that Mufassa bieng Nala's father would actually make more sense. and after reaserching lions and there genetic nature, i can assume that, if disney was ever forced to say who nala's father was, they would say it was mufassa. : :-o :x :(

Honestly, i dont think that we should say "oh it was probably none of them" but we also shouldnt say "it was definetly him" without saying "it was him because, and it makes me think that because".
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Re: who is Nala's real father? Ni or Scar?

Postby Carl » July 8th, 2015, 10:55 pm

VoxLight wrote:So Canocally, Mufassa is probably nalas father

Canonically, which is what I think you were trying to say, means officially. Officially, neither is Nala's father. That's not up for debate.

To the rest of that mess, actually, real prides do sometimes have more than one male if the males are related. It's not uncommon, actually. Usually the one male is the father of all the cubs, yes, but not always. If it were a real pride, yes Mufasa would be the most likely candidate for Nala's father. But the lions in the movie are anthropomorphized, and they are "civilized." They are not a real pride, and don't act like a real pride.

In fan theories, you can choose whoever you want as Nala's father, but canonically, she doesn't have one. Period.

Honestly, i dont think that we should say "oh it was probably none of them" but we also shouldnt say "it was definetly him" without saying "it was him because, and it makes me think that because".

If you want to go with what's official, there is nothing else to say except that it is DEFINITELY none of them. If you're talking fan theories, have a hay day. This thread isn't about fan theories though, it's about Nala's REAL father. This means that Ni, Ahadi, and all other semi-canon characters are irrelevant and so is anything that isn't official. What is official is that Nala does not have a father, as the character was unnecessary for the plot.
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