It's official, there's gonna be a tlk remake.

[DGFone]

I'm also still leaning towards that it will be far easier to make a worse movie rather than even a good one for these reasons:

The original TLK is already a masterpiece. It will be hard to even come close to it, even if the live action remake will be a shot-for-shot faithful.

As others pointed out already - there are no human characters as well. So from that perspective, it doesn't even really make sense for there to be a "live" action movie since there are no actors to be "live".

It will all have to be up to the animation and whatever else the remake will change to even try to come close to the original.

[Nilla]

100% Agreed^

I'm hoping that they expand the lore to make it worthwhile. Keeping the original script mostly intact and just changing the art style would be pointless.
Somehow I doubt that they'll keep the lore that the Lion Guard recently established, lol.

[Hatari05]

In all honesty the best idea is to make a different movie. Keep the basics of Simba's arc his father dies and he goes into exile due to blaming himself for it, change the rest. The purpose of a remake is to retell an old story in a new way essentially giving us a new story but keeping the core of the original. There are a host of things you could do especially if this movie is 2 hours or even 2.5 imagine the story they could tell. You could give Nala a bigger role, maybe have Zira be a part of the story. Reveal more about scar and Mufasa there is so much you could potentially do a very potentially great movie could be made, but there's a catch we the fans must be open minded.

There's no point in making the same movie again, as difficult as it may be this should be a different movie Simba's story while having the same meaning and moral should be different. Obviously this could go bad but it could yield something good too I don't know but there is one thing I am pretty sure of is that to enjoy it assuming it's good of course, will be to separate it from the original to take our enjoyment of the original and look beyond it; judge the remake not on if it's as good as the original which let's be honest that movie is so loved that's not happening; so instead just judge it for what's it is on how good of a movie it is don't compare it to the original that will not help at all.

[gothprincesskiara]

[quote="Hatari05"]In all honesty the best idea is to make a different movie. Keep the basics of Simba's arc his father dies and he goes into exile due to blaming himself for it, change the rest. The purpose of a remake is to retell an old story in a new way essentially giving us a new story but keeping the core of the original. There are a host of things you could do especially if this movie is 2 hours or even 2.5 imagine the story they could tell. You could give Nala a bigger role, maybe have Zira be a part of the story. Reveal more about scar and Mufasa there is so much you could potentially do a very potentially great movie could be made, but there's a catch we the fans must be open minded.

There's no point in making the same movie again, as difficult as it may be this should be a different movie Simba's story while having the same meaning and moral should be different. Obviously this could go bad but it could yield something good too I don't know but there is one thing I am pretty sure of is that to enjoy it assuming it's good of course, will be to separate it from the original to take our enjoyment of the original and look beyond it; judge the remake not on if it's as good as the original which let's be honest that movie is so loved that's not happening; so instead just judge it for what's it is on how good of a movie it is don't compare it to the original that will not help at all.[/quote]

thank you, thats what I have been trying to tell them

[Elton John]

A new movie aside from a few plot points. Not a bad idea. Keep Nala in though.

[Rollo]

As long as it's a better retread of the story than what the sequels were, and comes way closer to matching the quality of the first movie, then I'm happy. I don't particularly mind what storyline they follow, just as long as it's a better story than what the sequels gave us. I'm just looking for a major improvement on the second and third film with this one. Not asking for much, I hope

[Hatari05]

Sorry for the length I have quite a bit to say and I believe what I have to say is rather important to ones enjoyment of the remake and the franchise as a whole, please do not take offense as none of this is meant to be. Is it too much to ask you question well that entirely depends on your view of the original Lion King. A lot of issues sequels run into not all of them but a lot of them is that fans tend to put the first on a pedestal, hold it to a standard that can't be matched. People wanted the sequel to ESB when it came they were disappointed why, well potentially plenty of reasons but there's a particular important one, people regarded ESB as one of the greatest movies of all time, the creators weren't aiming for that now they have to make a proper follow up to one of the greatest movie of all time instead of a sequel to ESB the second SW. TDK was considered the best movie of the last two decades now instead of making the third movie of TDK trilogy Nolan is making the sequel to the best movie of the last 20 years. There's a clear difference and one view leads to an inevitable result. The sequels in question that followed my examples were good movies that did a good job wrapping up the story but the pedestal their predecessors were put on made it impossible for them to live up to them. This applies to remakes too a lot of remakes are actually pretty good some very good but it's based on a classic that served as many people's childhoods, or first dates or something very meaningful to them meaning the remake doesn't stand a chance.

So what's your view because depending on how you view the original yes it is too much to ask. There are so many factors we don't consider we all want to enjoy the remake obviously but what many don't consider is that it's not just against the original that wouldn't be too much of an issue no the problem is it's against our perception of the first one and there's a big difference. It's against the memories of our childhood whatever emotions we felt in that moment that stuck with us. In the end the remake is against a very fond and cherished memory and a very good movie. Asking for something as great as the original is too much because many people's perception of it cannot be matched cannot be anywhere near matched.

[Rollo]

You're almost implying that we should expect a poor movie, Hatari. Of course this remake will never be better than the original, but how could it? You're not only asking people to recreate the magic that occured in the production of the first film, but also asking for the remake to have the same impact that it had on so many kids growing up in the 90s and the early 2000s--nostalgia plays a big part in what makes this film so wonderful, and the era that it was released in also plays a big part. But the fact that it manages to hold up today and is still called one of the greatest movies of all time was purely due to how well the story writing, development, casting and animation were. Plus a bunch of other factors too. There's a lot of movies I grew up with that I loved (Simba's Pride being one of them), but I know they're not good movies. But that's fine. They're harmless; they just aren't worthy sequels.

There's a reason why these sequels are not regarded in the same way, although SP also benefits from being released in this special era, which is why so many people love it--because they grew up with it, like I did. Not because it's a good movie. If SP held its standards to the quality of the first, it would've been a far better movie. We would've had amazing animation, an even better story, better songs, because there would've been an actual theatrical-intended team behind it. But it wasn't--it was a cash cow. It was undoubtedly made to cash in on the success of the first movie. It's still so disappointing to me that Disney didn't set out to create another theatrical release for the second instalment of their greatest movie (at the time), although I know that's because Disney didn't believe in theatrical releases for their sequels. I actually think that's a good decision on their part...I think SP's critical feedback would've been 100% worse if it had been released in theatres. Disney knew SP wasn't good enough for theatres. If they thought the movie could've made an extraordinary amount of money (and they did, that's why they send out so many VHS copies to stores for its release), they would've probably given it a theatrical release. (I believe that's what they intended to do with the third movie before they realised it just wouldn't have worked.) But, they knew it wasn't as good because the budget they had set and the people they had chosen to work on it meant the animation was poor and the story was pretty lackluster, and it would've been very embarrassing for it to hit cinemas. It was just a quick and easy way to make money. Unfortunately, that's Hollywood.

I'm not just hating on Simba's Pride specifically, by the way. I just feel like so many aren't aware that there are Lion Kings fans who don't like SP and find it embarrassing, and I'm one of them. That's it. There's a bunch of other examples I could give. Like Jurassic Park III for instance. Another blatant cash cow. (Many people could say the same about The Lost World, but I actually really liked The Lost World--but I know it's not anywhere near as amazing as the original JP, and I know it's not a good movie. That doesn't mean I don't like it though.)

That's not the same scenario here. Disney HAVE given out an enormous budget and assigned a top Hollywood director to make the movie. This is not so much of a cash cow than it is an actual project. So my faith in this movie triumphing over the sequels has pretty much exploded. And I'm excited! We're finally gonna get a good follow-up.

I'm asking for them to make their standards high so that this movie can stand on its own feet. So it's NOT a sequel--it is a remake, like it's intended to be, and it feels like a remake. I don't want a CGI version of the original movie, which I think is what you may have assumed I wanted from my post. Everything to be the exact same and as great as the first. I'd like it to be as great, but what I could easily find great, another person could find boring. Like you said, it depends on how you look at the first movie.

In the simplest terms, I am looking for a retelling/slight retread of the first film. Whatever they choose to do, I'm open to it, just as long as it's treated as its own movie. Almost as though they were making the first movie all over again, and they're not sure if it's gonna be good, but they're aiming for this timeless magic anyway... wait, that's what a remake is

EDIT: I looked back at what I said in the post you were referring to, and I didn't ask for an improvement on the first movie. I asked for an improvement on Simba's Pride and 1 1/2. I really, really don't think it's difficult for Jon Favreau, who has just made the new Jungle Book, which ranked in $966 million and 95% on Rotten Tomatoes, to make a better movie than those two. Unless he has reverted to his student film days.

[Elton John]

Jon Favreau also directed the first Iron Man, which not only kickstarted the MCU, it helped make a then has-been Robert Downey Jr into THE hollywood A lister (after a few marvel movies, tropic thunder, sherlock holmes, etc).

People forget that the reason why Iron Man is considered one of the better Marvel films is because it was just so different (at the time) and good. Sure, it had a few superhero tropes...

It was funny, fun, contained a hero who wasn't a doofus goody goody or dark and brooding, he was charismatic and fun, and not an infallible perfect human being. It also was one of the first superhero films where the lead didn't conceal his secret identity...

Sure, favreau also directed iron man 2-3 which werent that good but sequels rarely are good or as good as the original. Even if they have a good team behind them.

[Captain Cupcake]

[quote="The Lionvengers"]Sure, favreau also directed iron man 2-3[/quote]

Shane Black directed 3.