New episode 'Lions of the outlands'?

[Aelwen]

[quote]A test of his moral fiber would be like.... what if Jasiri entered the pridelands? What if Simba became aggressive towards her? Does Kion protect his friend? Does Kion use the roar on his dad on purpose? Or does he let Jasiri get hurt...[/quote]
It's the show for Small KIDS! They can't show them such complex moral situations! Everything must be black and white. So Simba either would accept Jasiri easily or Kion just would manage to change his mind in 10 seconds.

[Hatari05]

[quote="The Lionvengers"]Kion is the Captain America of the team in more ways than one.

Besides being a natural leader, he sticks to his own moral code. Captain America doesn't fight with a gun, but instead a shield, symbolic of him being a protector for those who can't protect themselves. Kions power isn't based on claws or teeth, which would go against the captain america parallel.

A weakness that disables the roar can be as easily abused as his roar.

A test of his moral fiber would be like.... what if Jasiri entered the pridelands? What if Simba became aggressive towards her? Does Kion protect his friend? Does Kion use the roar on his dad on purpose? Or does he let Jasiri get hurt...[/quote]


Yes that's exactly the kind of situation I was talking about. The captain America comparison is solid however CA has fallen before. Morals and code while obviously essential are very dangerous. CA's morals are very dangerous his belief that he is right has caused a lot of damage destroyed shield, tore apart the avengers while justified cases in a way Steve's morals are dangerous just like Kion's are.

Lions over all revealed Kion's morals to be completely blind he talks about how Zira's way is wrong using force and threat yet that is all the guard does. Their idea of a peaceful solution is leave or we'll make you. Kion forces Janga out of the pridelands yet he trespasses on the hyenas territory all the time.

He rejects how Zira says lions should rule over all but they already do. Kion talks about how using force and threat is wrong yet that is how the guard reacts to any threat. He talks about balance and the great circle of life yet he interferes with it everytime he stops a predators. He calls Zira's way tyranny but what happens to those who don't follow his family's ways they're exiled. His family are above everyone if someone doesn't fall in line the guard is sent after them. In The Lion Guard the pride lands work in a very simple way, do as the lions say or the guard will kick you out. The guard operates on an equally simple method, get out or the roar will make you. That sounds like Zira's philosophy to me. I mean it's staggering how much of a hypocrite Kion is.

[Elton John]

He dismantled shield because it had been infiltrated by literal nazi's who had created a weapon that could kill millions in minutes.

The avengers were torn apart because the sokovia accords would place them under control of the UN. What if some of their orders lead to events worse than what had happened in the mcu?

General thunderbolt ross brings up harlem from the incredible hulk which was his fault. He brings up the battle for new york which would have been worse considering the world council wanted to nuke the area. Sokovia? Tony's fault for creating ultron. Etc.

Like I mentioned earlier. Zira likely thinks herself above the circle of life, laws of nature. Kion, while a part of the royal family does not place himself above the natural order.

[Hatari05]

[quote="The Lionvengers"]He dismantled shield because it had been infiltrated by literal nazi's who had created a weapon that could kill millions in minutes.

The avengers were torn apart because the sokovia accords would place them under control of the UN. What if some of their orders lead to events worse than what had happened in the mcu?

General thunderbolt ross brings up harlem from the incredible hulk which was his fault. He brings up the battle for new york which would have been worse considering the world council wanted to nuke the area. Sokovia? Tony's fault for creating ultron. Etc.

Like I mentioned earlier. Zira likely thinks herself above the circle of life, laws of nature. Kion, while a part of the royal family does not place himself above the natural order.[/quote]

I'm not going to counter your CA examples since this is a LK thread so I'll stick to the topic. Who runs the great circle Kion's family the lions, they do place themselves above the natural order since they're the ones who decide what the natural order is, they make the rules, they make the laws, they're the ones who decide what the natural order of the kingdom are. At least Zira's honest saying yeah I am above all of you, the royal family rules an entire kingdom based off some philosophy no one else uses, say we are equal yet you serve me, and if you go against our natural order you will be exiled but we are all equal. The guard operates on a very basic idea get out or we'll make you.

There is no difference Kion does place himself above others so does his family the very idea of having a king rule everything who is capable of saying you don't do as I say get out is placing yourself above people. Kion is a hypocrite the only reason this isn't stated is because he lives in a black and white world where he never has to face consequences and nothing challenges his morals.

[Ninclow]

Now how interesting wouldn't it be if Zira pointed out these flaws to Kion and the episode circles around him trying to figure out if his father is a tyrant or not? :p

[Hatari05]

The amount you could've done with Zira and Kion is staggering I find it almost hard to believe a writer would actually be okay with tossing the potential aside. What would've Kion's answers been if Zira did ask him these questions could've he answered them at all?

[Carl]

In order for them to have tossed aside that potential, Zira has to never appear on the show again, or always have episodes that fall a bit short. It's possible that won't always be the case.

[Hatari05]

[quote="Carl Skywalker"]In order for them to have tossed aside that potential, Zira has to never appear on the show again, or always have episodes that fall a bit short. It's possible that won't always be the case.[/quote]

Not entirely yes they can still do some intriguing ideas with Zira but the whole her being a dark mentor to Kion that's gone with what happened it's not likely or even believable that Kion would go back to her. They still have potential ideas but that particular one they did toss aside since that plot point really wouldn't make sense anymore.

[Carl]

It isn't gone though. Not necessarily. While this show will assuredly never be as dark, on the Teen Titans show, Robin defeated Slade numerous times but still ended up always questioning how like Slade he was and even being mentored by him at one point. Zira could easily force Kion to work for her by threatening those he cared about, or she could even pretend she's had a change of heart and win him over. Considering how young of an audience we're dealing with, they probably weren't ever going to go too in depth into the ways Zira could manipulate Kion, but I'm sure it will be touched on again, and there is still a chance she could have him questioning how much of a good guy he is.

[Gaze]

[quote="Squeely"]Then again, I'm having trouble coming up with more reasons for The Guard to interact with the Outsiders, and while I wouldn't be opposed to an episode without The Guard in it, I feel like they'll probably never go that route.[/quote]
wow, I didn't think about that before, but that would be awesome to have an episode that doesn't focus on the Guard at all. a day in the life of the Outlanders, or of Simba & Nala, or maybe Tiifu & Zuri. I mean, that isn't a terribly uncommon thing for other cartoons to have occasional episodes focused on side characters, so maaaybe that could happen someday? I'd be all for it!

[quote="Hatari05"]Lions over all revealed Kion's morals to be completely blind he talks about how Zira's way is wrong using force and threat yet that is all the guard does. Their idea of a peaceful solution is leave or we'll make you. Kion forces Janga out of the pridelands yet he trespasses on the hyenas territory all the time.

He rejects how Zira says lions should rule over all but they already do. Kion talks about how using force and threat is wrong yet that is how the guard reacts to any threat. He talks about balance and the great circle of life yet he interferes with it everytime he stops a predators. He calls Zira's way tyranny but what happens to those who don't follow his family's ways they're exiled. His family are above everyone if someone doesn't fall in line the guard is sent after them.[/quote]
really great points....I hadn't even thought about all of these things before but they seem so obvious now that you bring it up. I really wish this could be something the show addresses as an actual plot point, rather than just evidence of poor writing. wishful thinking though, I guess?