New episode 'Lions of the outlands'?

[Tora]

First I need to post in this section more often. Tons of new people I have never met before on here. Anyway I liked the episode. Yeah the characters were watered down just as I expected for a preschool audience, but here is to hoping that as time goes on it will get darker. Overall it seems like Zira at her core is the same, but the watering has taken it's toll sadly for now. I liked Kovu still, and to me it seemed as if Nuka was the same as he always was. Clumsy and Stupid.

[ScarXZira10889]

Problem is: we don't know who the fathers /father are of Zira's Cubs.

[ScarXZira10889]

@Tsuki Guess I'm left out then.

[Troll Berserker]

It was a lovely episode. Interesting and I loved to see the old characters back. It also explains some things, such as Kion's disapearance during SP. Zira's song was great and I enjoyed the visuals refering to both My Lullaby, Be Prepared and Scar's introduction.

Maybe the termite mounds are further away from Pridelands. During the timeskip Oulanders moved to another place that's noticeably closer to Pridelands and when they were kicked back to termite mounds Zira decided they will not return. That's just my theory.

I also loved Kovu there. It was clear he wanted to be back in Pridelands and I found it really cute that from the way he was acting we could see he's a good guy.

[Lionkingview]

OMG i just realized that this episode would make for a perfect drinking game:
Take a shot everytime someone says "Lion" or the Roar is mentioned

[Ninclow]

"Lions over all".

The song would have been better served used as means for Zira to try to 'rectify' Kovu's 'weakness' if he had tried to convince Zira to share the waterhole with the hyenas.

[Tsuki]

[quote="ScarXZira10889"]@Tsuki Guess I'm left out then.[/quote]

Eh? What? What did I do?

Hatari-Like the sound of that Fanfic

And Jasiri and Co have Australian accents....not British. Trust me

[Panpardus]

[quote="Ninclow"]"Lions over all".

The song would have been better served used as means for Zira to try to 'rectify' Kovu's 'weakness' if he had tried to convince Zira to share the waterhole with the hyenas.[/quote]

Agreed; the musical number itself had a mentor-student vibe going on that seemed a little misdirected in that she was singing it at Kion as opposed to her actual trainee, whom she hadn't really turned anyway.

Kovu also came off as if he's had next to no training at this point. He was feistier as a younger cub; now he just seems really babyish. I'd have loved to hear the lectures that both he and Kion received from their respective parents as a result of this little escapade...

[PrincessKiara]

It was great seeing Zira, Nuka, Vitani and especially Kovu again! I love that we got a proper explanation to the exile, and although the relationship between Scar and Zira wasn`t fully explained, at least now we know that there was a friendship between them, and that Zira isn`t just a crazy fangirl.

When Kovu was hiding from the power of The Roar, it gave me hope that we would go into the Pridelands with Kion and see Kiara again - it was so cute how he wanted to see her again, and I had high hopes that we would get to see them interact in this episode. The fact that we didn`t was disappointing, but I really hope we`ll get to see Kovu and the other Outsiders in another episode.

Zira`s song was awesome, the best in a long time, and easily one of my favourites from the series. I really liked the reference to My Lullaby (with the bugs) and hearing Kion join in was fun - even if his parts were hard to make out when they both sang at once. I for one had trouble picking up Kion`s lyrics.

As several others have already pointed out - the fight scenes bother me sometimes.. but in this episode especially. Does being the leader of The Lion Guard give you super strength? Kion is a CUB, it should be physically impossible for him to pin down a grown lion or beat a lioness in a fight. Sure, he could outmanouver or outsmart them, but actually win? Nah.

[SimbasGuard]

[quote="Troll Berserker"]Maybe the termite mounds are further away from Pridelands. During the timeskip Oulanders moved to another place that's noticeably closer to Pridelands and when they were kicked back to termite mounds Zira decided they will not return. That's just my theory.[/quote]

That is more believable than my theory that Kion sent The Outsiders to yet another part of The Out Lands that looked strikingly similar to The Out Lands that we saw in the first part of Lion King 2. Although that does not explain Zira's "Our New Home" line if it is exactly the same place they had lived before.

[quote="PrincessKiara"]although the relationship between Scar and Zira wasn`t fully explained, at least now we know that there was a friendship between them, and that Zira isn`t just a crazy fangirl.[/quote]

I enjoyed that aspect as well and even though it requires reading in to what Zira actually said. I think her comment "Scar and I were close. Very close." Hints very heavily (To Me anyway) that Nuka is Indeed Scar's son. I think it is very possible that Scar and Zira had a relationship during Mufasa's reign and that Scar did not bring Zira to The Pride Lands until he became King.

[quote="PrincessKiara"]Zira`s song was awesome, the best in a long time, and easily one of my favourites from the series. I really liked the reference to My Lullaby (with the bugs) and hearing Kion join in was fun - even if his parts were hard to make out when they both sang at once. I for one had trouble picking up Kion`s lyrics.[/quote]

Same here, I couldn't get Kion's lyrics either:

http://lionguard.wikia.com/wiki/Lions_Over_All

[quote="PrincessKiara"]As several others have already pointed out - the fight scenes bother me sometimes.. but in this episode especially. Does being the leader of The Lion Guard give you super strength? Kion is a CUB, it should be physically impossible for him to pin down a grown lion or beat a lioness in a fight. Sure, he could outmanouver or outsmart them, but actually win? Nah.[/quote]

I get how that irritates people, but I look at it with this FAN THEORY: We know that The Mark of The Lion Guard has some kind of magic in it. I think that the Mark Of The Guard enhances the natural abilities of The Lion Guard to a level that at least enables them to hold their own against whatever they are up against. It is not something that the members of The Lion Guard can willfully tap into, it is more of power boost from The Great Kings when it is needed to even the odds. END OF FAN THEORY: In a more practical sense upon seeing the episode a 2nt time I have noticed that Kion makes precise strikes that catch his opponents when they are off balance.

As for Zira not being a formidable enough villain I see it like this:

Zira assumed that Kion was a naive cub that she could easily manipulate. Not the case, although she did trick Kion into thinking that he could not use The Roar against Lions.

Zira also underestimated The Lion Guard for the same reasons Simba did in Return of the Roar.

Zira actually believed that Kion could not use The Roar against them. My guess is that Scar told her what he believed was the reason he lost The Roar.

Also Zira did not plan on encountering Kion (She did not even know about him.). Her plan was not meticulously planned out as was her plan to take over The Pride Lands in Lion King 2. She had to make it up on the fly. When you take that into consideration her plan to manipulate Kion was rather impressive.

The only things that disappointed me about the episode was that it dealt a sever (if not totally crushing) blow to the possibility of a Kion/Vitani romance in the future.

The ending also causes me to think that The Writers may not want to use The Outsiders in this series again. I hope I am wrong about that.