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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby TTB-Kun » September 2nd, 2019, 7:27 pm

JackStover wrote:Anyway, they should have had Tiifu and Zuri be members of Vitani's Lion Guard. Missed opportunity. They sort of just went missing and didn't show up again even though they were there when Kion left.

i don't think those 2 can be fast brave strong or keenest of sight even in 1000 years XD
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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby Elton John » September 2nd, 2019, 7:32 pm

the tlk remake is canon to itself and not the traditionally animated stuff. just like how i’d see a remake sequel as canon to the first remake but not the original, tlk2, or the lion guard.

just like how i view the broadway show as canon to itself, but not the movies or tv series.

let me explain things in batman terms. the first two tim burton batman movies and joel schumacher batman movies are canon to each other

the christopher nolan batman movies are canon to themselves and no other DC movies

batman vs superman is canon to man of steel, suicide squad, wonder woman, justice league, aquaman, shazam, etc

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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby Aelwen » September 2nd, 2019, 9:03 pm

One more thing I noticed. There was not a single one LGBT character during all three seasons. Thats weird.
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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby Elton John » September 2nd, 2019, 9:32 pm

disney doesn’t do that kinda thing yet. most of the time.

in the avengers endgame, there was a gay guy but he had an unimportant role at the start of the movie. not even a superhero. there have been, what, 22 movies in the mcu?

star wars, more specifically the ones created after the disney have no lgbt characters

no wdas characters are canonically lgbt. same with pixar or their other live studios

they aren’t making an lgbt character for a disney jr show....just yet anyway.

Remember, it took them till 2009 to have a black princess. Disney is slow on progress. They will get there eventually but.... its gonna take time.

and i will say it

homosexuality is a normal part of life. gay non-human animals do exist. gay lions exist. if you think kids, especially young kids shouldn’t be exposed to it.... i mean its not like they’d have two male lions mating onscreen in a preschool show. it would just be a romantic aspect, or not even any romance at all, and just treating them like heterosexual couples.

/realizes the can of worms i just opened OH MY
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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby Panpardus » September 2nd, 2019, 10:50 pm

Just finished the series. Kinda crazy to think it's been almost four years now since the show started -- although the TV release schedule means that most people probably won't actually see the ending for maybe another year or so depending on how they space the airing of the episodes. (Like I mentioned in an earlier post, "The Harmattan" and "The Accidental Avalanche" are only just airing on TV this coming weekend.)

Overall, I actually liked it; keeping in mind that this is still ultimately a show written specifically for preschoolers (although most of the target demographic when the show originally premiered are almost a decade old now), it had a lot going on, especially in this last batch of episodes. Granted, it did feel a bit rushed; I think it would've served the seasons' pacing way better had some of the journey to the Tree of Life been cut instead of having the entire first half of the series being about the trip, especially given how quickly they were able to return to Pride Rock in short amount of time in only one episode. The arc with the Night Pride was interesting and went exactly how I thought it would when Rani was first announced at least in terms of she and Kion ending up together, although her forwardness to Kion about wanting him to stay with her was a bit refreshing to see and actually came across as more pragmatic than romantic, at least before their song.

Elton John wrote:binge watched the eps. mostly enjoyed them. it had a rather satisfying conclusion.

there was one really bizarre moment 5 minutes before the end of the last ep. maybe the most bizarre moment in this entire franchise. if you saw it you know what i mean.

I actually thought it was fitting enough given how overpowered the roar has already been demonstrated to be in just the last two or three episodes anyway, although I was actually hoping Kion would lose it forever once he passed it Vitani; I feel like that would've fit the theme of not needing the roar to lead. In fact, if the roar was lost altogether and nobody had it in the end, that would've been even more fitting to said theme.

Aelwen wrote:One more thing I noticed. There was not a single one LGBT character during all three seasons. Thats weird.

I mean, we don't know for sure that none of those characters are LGBT+, they just never explicitly showed such a thing. (I'd have bet it would be Ono, actually, and he never got any sort of romantic interest throughout the series; birds are pretty well documented in this regard.) That said, I think it'll still be a while before you see an openly LGBT+ character in a children's show, at least as far as Disney is concerned.

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JackStover wrote:I still feel like Fuli got shortchanged in this show. She was always the character that fascinated me the most, but they barely used her and I feel like she got less focus than the other characters. Hell, in the final ten episodes, she only had a strong role in one episode, and that was in episode 11, so she practically did nothing in the final nine episodes. I still don't like Azaad.

Azzad is my boi, he’s awesome don’t u dare! (I have a soft spot for charather that toalks themself in third person)

I honestly don't care about Fuli and Azzad either way; I actually don't think Fuli should've ended up with anybody. If I were writing this, she'd at most have developed feelings for Kion, then gotten a bit jealous when Rani x Kion became a thing, but then came to realize that it was better for all parties involved and so she'd stay as his supportive friend. Seems a bit more realistic and emotionally satisfying than what the show writers actually did. (Plus realistically, she'd only have Azzad around every once in a while to mate; cheetah couples only stay together for a couple days during mating season and then go their separate ways until next time. In a more child-friendly context this would probably just amount to them hanging out together every once in a while.) All that said, I do think she was somewhat underused throughout the show.

Handful of random thoughts to close:
  • Beau Black clearly stopped caring about trying to make his songs fit into the feel of The Lion King franchise's brand of African music this season, though you can kinda tell he had more fun writing many of these than in prior seasons. Still a shame that there wasn't a song that actually incorporated Christopher Willis' actual orchestral score, which was really nice to listen to throughout the season, especially how he incorporated various Asian-invoking elements and mixed them into his more African sounds. (Still mad Disney's not gonna release a proper score album.)
  • Kion's massive singing voice drop really makes me wonder how much time passed between Max Charles recording "On the Last Night" and his last few songs. He almost sounds like Beau Black in those, if not deeper.
  • So what happens with Makini's slot as Pride Lands' mjuzi now that she's living at the Tree of Life?
  • "Long Live the Queen" was really touching to watch and brought on a lot of feels for me, having just gone through a similar experience earlier this year with my grandfather. Though I saw it coming as soon as that character was introduced, I still hold that it's definitely one of the show's highest points.
  • The design of the Night Pride males never failed to bother the heck out of me, specifically their manes.
  • The season had an interesting focus on Asian animals and even hired Asian voice actors to voice said animals to the point of having distinct accents and musical cues for various characters (Chinese vs Japanese vs Indonesian, etc.). If only, if only, if only such attention was brought to the African characters throughout the show; I still find it incredible that Rafiki remains the only such character in this entire cartoon franchise (and his accent is still more Afro-Caribbean than anything else).
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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby Elton John » September 2nd, 2019, 11:07 pm

I didn’t really see Fuli and Azzad as a romantic couple. In fact I don’t think someone like fuli would be interested in romance at all. Wouldn’t stop shippers anyway.

I agree that fuli would likely only mate to create babies, if she was real.

I guess Ono might be gay, or he might not. Same with Beshte. Vitani might be a lesbian, or she might not. Anga, Makini, Zazu, Rafiki, Timon, Pumbaa... all of them could either be gay or straight. The only thing about Timon that might point towards him being straight is a throwaway joke towards shenzi in tlk1.5

I do like how Kion eventually found a love interest. I will admit I am a sucker for the traditional disney love story, even if they might be flawed and unrealistic at times.
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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby TTB-Kun » September 2nd, 2019, 11:26 pm

Kion and Rani are probably the most organic and believable couple i've ever seen portrayed in the lion King franchise, at least the ones we saw fall in love. Everyone loves Simba and Nala, and Kovu and Kiara, but you have to admit, Simba and Nala instantly fall in love when they met each other as adults, Kovu and Kiara fell in love after a day together, Kion and rani spent weeks, or probably a couple of months together. I probably think at this point they've become my favorite couple in the franchise. Cause even if didn't see it coming i still totally believed in them, the moment they started singing, and they're cute and they really complete each other, in a way similar on how Kovu and Kiara do, but with much more building towards it that makes it so much real for me.

Also, side note, both Kovu and Kion were referred simply as Future King, and King. It's seems there is no prince consort thing in the lion king, and the royal couple really rules together as equals. i like that.

about kion singing voice... i clearly think they changed the voice actor, it seems beu black to me
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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby Elton John » September 2nd, 2019, 11:36 pm

i think that if, in a future tlk animated series if tlg is treated as mostly canon i’d like to see more of kion/rani simba/nala and kovu/kiara as adult couples.

yeah, kion/rani kovu/kiara can have cubs and they can be important characters but i’d like the focus be on the adult lions.

in tlk 1 the big focus was on simba and while nala was the most important female character in the movie there were males who got a bigger focus. in tlk2 she is barely in it. in tlg she is barely in it as well.

while tlk2 has a focus on kiara we dont see much of kovu and kiara as a couple.

I guess this is what fan work is for but it would be nice to see in official media.
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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby Panpardus » September 3rd, 2019, 12:05 am

Personally I'd like the focus of any hypothetical future sequel program/movie (which I'm sure isn't happening) to give a pretty even amount of attention to all of the Pride Lands characters (so it wouldn't have Kion and Rani appearing much), with the main focus being on Kovu and Kiara's cubs. There's an intergenerational aspect of the Lion King franchise that I don't think the show really capitalized on much even though it introduced a lot of characters, at least with regards to living characters and extended families. I figure having a show focused on Kiara and Kovu's family would carry a lot of weight with regards to multicultural families and even an immigration motif with the Outsiders settling into life in the Pride Lands.

Another stray thought: Tiifu and Zuri were nowhere to be seen or mentioned, so there's two characters the writers realized they couldn't do anything with. (It would've been kinda funny if they were inside Pride Rock during Kion's demonstration, though.)
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Re: new episodes of tlg dropping on disneynow this monday

Postby Elton John » September 3rd, 2019, 12:20 am

Tiifu was kind of an idea of a character in rotr. Then she devolved to zuri 2.0 for most of the series until that one episode where they gave her something to do besides being.... she was cute i guess but didnt have much of a personality.

And since they never gave the two parents, and the only adult male in the pride was simba....

Well, uh, you know.... male lions typically have more than one mate...

but because this is disney their dad probably died the same horrific offscreen death nalas father did. i mean disney does have a parent killing fetish. nick wilde has no dad in zootopia, and he lives under a bridge so maybe his mom is dead too.
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