New episode 'Lions of the outlands'?

[zerodix]

^true at all points.

[Aelwen]

Nuka is still a teenager there so it can't be much later of SP.And Kovu is still a child... The timeline is complete mess.

[zerodix]

it is the time of the 1st half of sp. they want to make tlg take place during the first half of sp.

[Rollo]

I believe Ford Riley said that it takes place after Kiara and Kovu meet for the first time, and before they meet again when they're teenagers. That's quoted in an article somewhere I'm sure. Logically that should mean that Kiara is already aware of the Outlanders, and that Kion, possibly, is also, but that's not for sure and he could easily be unknowing. So the Outlander lions should be living in their original home which is not shown here.

I honestly do think people are lowering their standards by saying that these things don't have to be correct. Do you really not care so long as it has a lion slapped onto it? Unless they have a logical or at least acceptable explanation for it (i.e where we see them in the trailer is actually in Janja's territory and NOT their home, and they've taken over it for some reason), then it's sheer laziness for them to completely change the design, all for the sake of it being able to fit this "new" timeline.

I have no issues with TLG, but that is a bit bizarre and slightly disrespectful to its source material. There is nothing about the Outlanders original home that would be confusing for kids or somehow detrimental to the plot (that I can see, anyway). I'm not saying this is true, simply speculation like everything else, but I have a feeling that the reason they've changed it is so the hyenas can have this conflict with them, which gives us their plotline. They wanted it to be near to where Janja's clan lives so it could work and it just doesn't work in their original barren home, which is nowhere near anything resembling the Outlands shown in this show (Zira's Pride lived in what looked like a desert to me. Not very rocky, although there does seem to be a sort of rocky barrier surrounding it if you look in the back of backgrounds in the wider shots.)

Also, Aelwen, I completely agree.

[Elton John]

The outlands could be many different areas. Nothing has been stated so far that zira and company live in the exact same area as janja.

My theory as to why Jasiri needs The guards help is that the outland lions are trying to take over hyena territory. There is a fight between jasiri and the guard with the outlander lions.

But, why is Kion trying to protect the outlanders at the end? Maybe an even bigger threat? Or maybe he's trying to fight the outlanders without hurting them. Using his fancy roar and showing what it can do. Intimidation.

I mean zira is strong and bloodthirsty but she isn't stupid. If Kion used the roar on cub kovu...well, there goes her plans for killing simba. Can't kill simba with kovu if kovu is dead or injured beyond help..

[SimbasGuard]

It could also be that since Jasiri asks for The Lion Guard's help maybe The Outsiders are encroaching on her clan's territory not Janja's. It could also be that all the hyena clans join together to oppose The Outsiders. As of yet I have seen no reason to view The Lion Guard as being out of continuity with The Lion King Franchise. Aside from the fact that Kion's existence is a retcon. It is also possible that this episode may explain where the other adult lionesses from Simba's Pride are.

[Rollo]

I think what threw me off at least is that we can see what looks like a termite mound in the area the Outlanders are occupying. I assumed that was TLG's way of representing their original home or trying to redesign it or something, except they'd make it uber-close to Janja's territory so we could have the plotline you just described, which is also what I think is the episode's plot, some sort of fight for territory. I guess if the Outlanders home was some way away from these Outlands, then that would explain why they haven't shown up before or why Janja isn't afraid to live there. Still, the termite mounds...

Someone mentioned that it would be to do with a drought of some kind as we can see a very pathetic looking body of water in the teaser. But I don't think that makes sense as the first season of TLG is set during Africa's wet season. Not sure if that holds any significance at all or if it's just a design choice to make the Outlands look like wasted land.

I didn't consider it could be Jasiri's territory actually.

Also, if Kion's defending the Outlanders against Janja, my goodness. These poor hyenas never get a break. It'd be disappointing/heartbreakingly hilarious if TLG villanised them more than the Outlanders.

[Elton John]

Oh, when I said bigger threat I meant NOT janja.

Janja's crew is like Team Rocket. The recurring villains that are barely threatening...

JANJA's CREW BLASTING OFF AGAIN

[Hatari05]

[quote="Rollo"]I believe Ford Riley said that it takes place after Kiara and Kovu meet for the first time, and before they meet again when they're teenagers. That's quoted in an article somewhere I'm sure. Logically that should mean that Kiara is already aware of the Outlanders, and that Kion, possibly, is also, but that's not for sure and he could easily be unknowing. So the Outlander lions should be living in their original home which is not shown here.

I honestly do think people are lowering their standards by saying that these things don't have to be correct. Do you really not care so long as it has a lion slapped onto it? Unless they have a logical or at least acceptable explanation for it (i.e where we see them in the trailer is actually in Janja's territory and NOT their home, and they've taken over it for some reason), then it's sheer laziness for them to completely change the design, all for the sake of it being able to fit this "new" timeline.

I have no issues with TLG, but that is a bit bizarre and slightly disrespectful to its source material. There is nothing about the Outlanders original home that would be confusing for kids or somehow detrimental to the plot (that I can see, anyway). I'm not saying this is true, simply speculation like everything else, but I have a feeling that the reason they've changed it is so the hyenas can have this conflict with them, which gives us their plotline. They wanted it to be near to where Janja's clan lives so it could work and it just doesn't work in their original barren home, which is nowhere near anything resembling the Outlands shown in this show (Zira's Pride lived in what looked like a desert to me. Not very rocky, although there does seem to be a sort of rocky barrier surrounding it if you look in the back of backgrounds in the wider shots.)

Also, Aelwen, I completely agree.[/quote]


It has nothing to do with that animation styles change ever watch Ben 10 designs changed all the time and if you wasted time being annoyed by it you would never enjoy the franchise. SP had a darker animation style so the outlands came off looking more dark and menacing the termite hills were hardly a big part. Either way it's a different studio design changes with different studios are inevitable. It's not disrespectful to the source material or franchise what are the outlands a barren kingdom devoid of any real food or water where those banned from the pride lands reside it is filled with giant rocks and large chunks of it are pretty much a massive desert. Seems close enough to me.

Finally not caring if everything ties together or is explained or looks the same is not having low standards it's just being opened minded to the possibility of alternate interpretations. I don't care if this ties with SP and would prefer it doesn't because if it does you can't do anything with the outsider story. Zira can't invade the pride lands since it wouldn't be likely she would still be alive after a war. You can't do much with Kovu and Kiara which means by default Kiara can't be involved with the story. You can't do anything with Vitani since she clearly remains by her mother. While you can tie them together it's a complete storytelling limiter there's little reason in having the outsiders if you can't do anything with them? What exactly would a full season conflict with Zira and the outsiders be how can you have an outsider story and not have Kovu and Kiara actually be a part of it?

I honestly think just keeping them separate is a better idea as it leaves more possibilities. Kovu and Kiara start their relationship earlier, a three way war between the pride lands and the outsiders and the hyenas. Members of both prides maybe defecting Nuka turns on his mother after concluding he can't please her? Vitani and Kovu become enemies when Kovu deserts the outsiders for Kiara. So many possibilities that you can't do if you tie them together. If giving Zira a new home that isn't consistent with her home before means getting a war between the outsiders and the hyenas then do it forget SP and just do your own story where they live somewhere else. Just give me a strong story if it doesn't tie into SP then I have two sequels to the original awesome I'll watch both. Just do what is best for the story and the character arcs. If it is in continuity just have them move back sometime after the conflict.

[Rollo]

[quote="Hatari05"]I honestly think just keeping them separate is a better idea as it leaves more possibilities[/quote]

That's exactly what I mean when I say that I don't see it as canon. It IS more enjoyable that way.

Also, SP's "darker" animation style was not a choice. That was due to the low budget that the movie was given because it was a direct-to-video sequel that would never hit big screens. This is the exact same reason why TLG has poor animation, it's a smaller budget (and a completely different animating program.) Do you really think they would've chosen to have poorer animation and off-model characters in SP if they had the ability to not do so? They would've wanted their animation to be as close to the original as they could've gotten it but unfortunately it wasn't possible. You can play with lighting in the movie making process to achieve the day/night setting, you wouldn't purposely make everything as dark as they did. Even the daylight scenes in SP look like it's about 5pm in the winter lol.

At least in SP the entire map wasn't completely altered. The Pridelands still looked pretty much like the Pridelands. This doesn't seem to be the case in TLG with these ever expansive Outlands that don't seem to include the original SP Outland setting, but it won't matter in the long run, there's more important things to focus on... like the writing.