Could Zuri possibly be Scar's daughter...?

[Carl]

[quote="Amadi_the_Guard"]^Well, from what we have seen lions in TLK universe function slightly differently then their real-life counterparts. This is a Disney movie, and having that said, Simba, the beloved protagonist, obviously wouldn't exile or kill any cubs based solely on them being someone else's. Even when it comes to Scar, allthough his uncle has done bad things to him, I doubt Simba would exile a cub just for who his father was.[/quote]
Except that Simba did exile cubs because of who the mother was. If he were against exiling cubs, then at least Nuka would have been in the Pride Lands, as he would have been a cub at the time of exile, or if you consider Kovu and Vitani to have been born already, they were cubs at the time of exile. Without totally retconning SP there's no way around the fact that Simba banished cubs because of their parentage. Doesn't matter why he exiled Zira, he had no good reason to exile her cubs, as obviously based on their personalities, none of them would have been against him had they not been exiled.

[Squeely]

We don't know the circumstances of Zira's exile. Doesn't she seem like the type to say something like "If you banish me, you banish my cubs too!" in an attempt to use her cubs as leverage against being banished? It's entirely possible that Simba didn't want to banish her cubs, but Zira insisted that she take them with her.

As for Zuri being Scar's daughter, it seems very unlikely, but it is possible I guess. I do hope we'll get some explanation as to who her parents are, though for now, I'm inclined to believe her and Tiifu are simply more of Simba and Nala's cubs. Remember, Scar's genetics exist in Simba too (and possibly Nala) so it's entirely possible for Simba to have a cub who resembles Scar.

[Carl]

^ I highly doubt they are Simba and Nala's cubs; Kion referred to Zuri as "Kiara's friend" and when speaking to Tiifu, Kiara referred to Simba as "my dad," not "our dad."

[Elton John]

One of the animators on the show told me we'd find out more about them in the 'just cant wait to be queen' episode.

[SimbasGuard]

I just want to point out that nothing in The Lion Guard has Butchered Lion King's continuity. The Backstory about Scar's Lion Guard takes place before the events of The Lion King.

I doubt Zuri is Scar's daughter because she is Kiara's age (Presumably) Scar was dead (In all likelihood) before Zuri's mother was even pregnant with her.

[Amadi_the_Guard]

[quote="Killjoy Dixon"]
Except that Simba did exile cubs because of who the mother was. If he were against exiling cubs, then at least Nuka would have been in the Pride Lands, as he would have been a cub at the time of exile, or if you consider Kovu and Vitani to have been born already, they were cubs at the time of exile. Without totally retconning SP there's no way around the fact that Simba banished cubs because of their parentage. Doesn't matter why he exiled Zira, he had no good reason to exile her cubs, as obviously based on their personalities, none of them would have been against him had they not been exiled.[/quote]

A mother who way still very much alive at that point, and actively plotting against him all while using her own children as means to an end. I believe it's confirmed by Zira that both Kovu and Nuka were born before their exile, because she said Kovu was born last before Simba exiled them, and Nuka is clearly older. We don't know certainly if Vitani is Kovu's litter-mate or if she was born before or after him. Either way, all of her cubs had to be very young at the age of the exile and it's likely Simba couldn't have them separated from their mother. If it all happened when Kovu was a newborn, Nuka would have been a cub, probably even younger then Kovu is when he meets Kiara. Still a little to young for him to be independent, not to mention that he would have probably refused to leave her side. And forcefully taking children from their mother, and giving them to someone else would have probably been seen as even more cruel, if it was featured in a movie. But, that's just my opinion.


And as somebody else said, we still don't know enough about how it all happened. Heck, we don't really even know why the outsiders were exiled to begin with - it was never 100% confirmed. We can only speculate how Zira reacted to Scar's death and if she was openly hostile, or how old her cubs were at that point. Some still argue whether Vitani and Nuka are Scar's or not, even though it was sorta denied. Certainly not enough information for us to know what really happened.

I guess it's the matter of everyone's interpretation, but I still believe that if Zuri was, maybeeee, Scar's cub, but neither her or her mother were against Simba, I believe she wouldn't have to suffer the consequences of her actions. I don't believe she is, though, but it's a really fun theory from where I stand.


Another thing. We don't really know if TLG has butchered the original movies completely.
Scar could have lied to his brother that his guard died while they were all fighting hyenas, or that he accidentally killed them while using the roar, or who knows what else. It's not like Mufasa could have been certain at the time, and maybe Rafiki didn't have all that much knowledge back then. It may never get explained, but it's not like explaining it and making it fit is impossible. Don't lose hope, guys!

[Squeely]

[quote="Amadi_the_Guard"]
Another thing. We don't really know if TLG has butchered the original movies completely.
Scar could have lied to his brother that his guard died while they were all fighting hyenas, or that he accidentally killed them while using the roar, or who knows what else. It's not like Mufasa could have been certain at the time, and maybe Rafiki didn't have all that much knowledge back then. It may never get explained, but it's not like explaining it and making it fit is impossible. Don't lose hope, guys!
[/quote]

It's a little iffy. I mean if Scar lied about what happened, how does everyone know the truth about it now?

[Amadi_the_Guard]

Who knows? Maybe Mufasa's ghost found out after he died and told Rafiki - I never saw Rafiki communicate with any other departed king, so maybe the two share a connection or something.
Or someone knew and said it, but nobody thrusted them until Scar really turned out to be evil. Mufasa might have suspected it because he saw the traces of evil in Scar, and that's why he kinda put him in line after Scar missed Simba's presentation. 'Is that a challange?' was supposed to be kinda like 'You can't do it anymore. Don't bother'...
Maybe everyone knew. What if Scar used to be a really good lion and guard, but let it get into his head and corrupt him when he was an adult. He did what he did, and when Mufasa found out, Scar either pretended to be extremely apologetic and whatnot. Mufasa took pity on him, and forgave him, as he was now frail and generally helpless. Who knows, Maybe Scar saved Muffy's life, or something like that. Maybe he got his Scar that way, so Mufasa owed him, and repayed by forgiving him his misdeed later. That would explain their general hostility at the beggenning of TLK - Mufasa might have never really forgiven him and has been afraid Scar was again falling in the same hole again.
And what if Simba was scared Kion would grow jealous of Kiara, or that he would be reckless with his power, so he invented or altered the story. He sure looks like he doesn't thrust his son a whole lot. Simba does make some bad calls from time to time.

TLK is known for its iffyness, but we still try to make it work.

[Leviara_Lioness]

[quote="Squeely"][quote="Amadi_the_Guard"]
Another thing. We don't really know if TLG has butchered the original movies completely.
Scar could have lied to his brother that his guard died while they were all fighting hyenas, or that he accidentally killed them while using the roar, or who knows what else. It's not like Mufasa could have been certain at the time, and maybe Rafiki didn't have all that much knowledge back then. It may never get explained, but it's not like explaining it and making it fit is impossible. Don't lose hope, guys!
[/quote]

It's a little iffy. I mean if Scar lied about what happened, how does everyone know the truth about it now?[/quote]

Ok, I agree with Squeely definitely, Scar lied about allot of stuff, if he was willing to kill his own brother (Muffy) eg Mufasa then, what makes you think he was honest about anything?, heck I'd trust Zira 10,000% more, as I wouldnt trust Scar far as I could see him! There's mysteries and gaps in TLK/TLK II SP as I believe Disney did that to make us wonder, who was who's cubbys, Vitani , I always have a big soft spot for her, as I dunno there was just something not quite right with her, I mean more than just what it appeared to be.. Like she knew something, but with Zira, she kept her mouth shut, Zira was especially bitter after Nuka was killed in TLK II SP, of course that was her favorite son, so I suppose maybe, as this's just me, but Vitani may hold the keys, to who is who's parent of who's cubbs are aforementioned?! <- Now this's just my Lioness theory, strictly speaking, but I wonder if I'm on to something??!

[JeanZedlav]

[quote="Killjoy Dixon"]People are always giving Scar cubs... if any cubs are called his in TLG, it will most likely be Kovu and friends. Think about this: if Simba exiled some cubs for being supporters of Scar, why would he allow Scar's flesh and blood to stay?

(Assuming, of course, that Nuka's appearance indicates they aren't retconning that he was exiled with Zira and the other outsiders, since he definitely would have been a cub at the time.)[/quote]


My assumption would be that it wouldn't matter to Simba what the cubs thought. They were just cubs, some people don't think Kovu was born when Scar died. He likely would have exiled based on the mother's view. Zira? Hates him, loves Scar. Maybe Zuri's mom wasn't a Scar-fan.