Simba

[TheIvanMuse]

[quote="TheRoguePrince"][quote="TheIvanMuse"][quote="Simba66"]There are many reasons why I love Simba. There are the obvious ones; he's strong, he's brave, in the Lion King II he is a wise and just king. But then, there's the reasons that are often overlooked. He watched his father die right in-front of him. Truly a trial I would not wish on my worst enemy. He lived his whole childhood trusting someone who wanted him dead. Even living with Timon and Pumba, his past was constantly haunting him. Not even Hakuna Matata can cleanse the mind of a tragedy of that magnitude. But the greatest aspect of Simba is his heart. In the end, he chooses to learn from his past rather than continue running, even though it's easier to run. Deep inside his heart, Simba needed all the things that happened to him. He needed to lose his father to show him the what it truly takes to be a king. He needed Timon and Pumba to teach him that sometimes, forgetting a horrid past or relationship is the right thing to do (perfect example: "Let it go Zira. It's time to put the past behind us.") He needed Nala and Rafiki to remind him who he really was. And most of all, he needed Scar. For without Scar, Simba would have learned nothing, thus becoming a cocky and arrogant king. By adding up all of these traits, we can easily see that Simba is not just another Disney hero. And even though I think Kovu is a slightly better hero, Simba is still the quintessential hero that I'm proud to idolize.[/quote]
Totally agree with almost all that you just said. Almost all,because I don't think that Kovu is a better hero. But you got Simba's being captured very well in those lines.[/quote]
I can agree with Simba66's comment in it's entirety, due to the fact that we all know where my loyalties lie. Simba is a great character but his emotional baggage lingers on and Kovu simply does not have that problem. I'm not saying Simba isn't great, just that Kovu is slightly easier for me to connect to.[/quote]
I knew you'd be the first one to comment on that.
I think that you are rationalizing your views on Simba,at least to some extent. His emotional side is perfectly fine,to say the least,I don't see anything that one could earnestly complain about on that matter. But as you said,it is more a matter of who we can relate to more,rather than the character itself. We can so to say 'set' what we might like and not like about someone,depending on what we thought of the one from the past or and what might go in favor of bringing the character up in out point of view even more.

[TheRoguePrince]

very clever, you have turned my attempt to avoid a direct attack on Simba against me. Simba is a great lion and a good King. He does, however, have a trust issue stemming from his uncle's betrayal and he never truly resolves this issue. This is passed along to Kovu when Zira presents him as Scar's heir and becomes even more evident when Simba acts as he does in each of their confrontations.

[TheIvanMuse]

[quote="TheRoguePrince"]very clever, you have turned my attempt to avoid a direct attack on Simba against me. Simba is a great lion and a good King. He does, however, have a trust issue stemming from his uncle's betrayal and he never truly resolves this issue. This is passed along to Kovu when Zira presents him as Scar's heir and becomes even more evident when Simba acts as he does in each of their confrontations.[/quote]
I haven't turned anything against you,nor am I being cunning. I simply told you how everything led you to liking Kovu this much and not understanding Simba as much as you could. Simba doesn't have an trust issue,in fact,everything he did was justified. First f all,his uncle killed his father,and left him to run away on him own,convincing him that he's the one to blame for his own father's death. I don't wanna rant to much about Scar,but you get what an opinion Simba has on him for that matter. Then,Zira comes along with the one who was hand chosen by Scar to follow in his paw prints. She offers Kovu to Simba,to with him whatever he wants,yet Simba showed mercy upon him. Later on ,as Kovu has aged,he's there to kill Simba. Let's just take a look at the scene when Simba is going for a drink at the Waterhole. Kovu is waiting i the ambush,ready to strike. If Kiara didn't show up,how do you think the scene would have gotten on...

Then later on,when we take a look at the scene when Simba is taking Kovu for a walk. Surely he is showing him trust by going with him for a walk to talk about the past. Theremore,he showed him even more trust when allowing him to be with Kiara earlier on. But let's get back to the scene,Zira shows up and tell what the deal is. And she didn't lie,they were planning to kill Simba and Kovu was a part of that. Simba couldn't possibly know what's going on inside Kovu's head and he did his best to protect his family and his pride.Tell me,what would you do if you were on Simba's place in that situation,what would you think?

[Harvs]

We all know the story of what happened between Simba and Scar, so I won't say anything about that. Meanwhile, Zira did offer Kovu to Simba as a sacrifice. I honestly don't think that it was all due to mercy showed upon Kovu. He was also placed right in the spotlight. In-front of not only his mate, some lionesses, Timon and Pumba, but also his daughter. Imagine how he would look if he killed Kovu right then and there. In his heart, he really didn't want to kill him, but in his brain, he really couldn't have done it either. Simba's trust in Kovu is like a late blooming cherry blossom. While it seems that Kiara and Nala, and possibly several other lionesses trusted Kovu shortly after Simba unwillingly accepted him into the pride, Simba's relationship with Kovu blooms from nothing more than a bud into a full grown blossom. Which then proceeds to wilt in the scene where the wildfire took place. At that point, the relationship had reached it's peak, and Zira was the fire which burned it to the ground. If I were in Simba's paws, I would have done the same thing. Trust is something you must earn, and while Kovu's chance to earn Simba's trust was taken away from him at the very beginning, that doesn't instill any confidence in Simba to welcome an outlander into his pride.

[TheRoguePrince]

[quote="Simba66"]We all know the story of what happened between Simba and Scar, so I won't say anything about that. Meanwhile, Zira did offer Kovu to Simba as a sacrifice. I honestly don't think that it was all due to mercy showed upon Kovu. He was also placed right in the spotlight. In-front of not only his mate, some lionesses, Timon and Pumba, but also his daughter. Imagine how he would look if he killed Kovu right then and there. In his heart, he really didn't want to kill him, but in his brain, he really couldn't have done it either. Simba's trust in Kovu is like a late blooming cherry blossom. While it seems that Kiara and Nala, and possibly several other lionesses trusted Kovu shortly after Simba unwillingly accepted him into the pride, Simba's relationship with Kovu blooms from nothing more than a bud into a full grown blossom. Which then proceeds to wilt in the scene where the wildfire took place. At that point, the relationship had reached it's peak, and Zira was the fire which burned it to the ground. If I were in Simba's paws, I would have done the same thing. Trust is something you must earn, and while Kovu's chance to earn Simba's trust was taken away from him at the very beginning, that doesn't instill any confidence in Simba to welcome an outlander into his pride.[/quote]

How can we truly place blame on anyone save for Zira? Simba is backed into a corner when Zira presents Kovu as Scar's heir, and Kovu is eternally alienated by the blood in his veins and the words that bound his destiny. While Kovu eventually escapes this destiny, Simba is forced to see that Kovu has infact had a doom placed upon him and will not easily give that view up. Nala and Kiara are not nearly as effected by the depth of the situation presented because they were not as deeply bound in the event of TLK. Zira has set the pieces and has made this much harder than it ever was supposed to become. If it wasn't for Rafiki, and through him, Mufasa, I don't think this would have worked out the way it did.

[SilverSimba01]

I can related Simba as some characters that I saw on a movie

[TheRoguePrince]

((what do you mean SS01?))

Simba is quite a good character, unfortunately not my favorite, but still good

[Harvs]

Simba is more than the complete package of a hero.
. A dark past? check.
. Wisdom and strength? Spot on.
. Kindness and courage? The definition of these words.
. Character of high stature? He's a king man. A KING!
. Awesome hair? Best ever.
And we actually see him develop into a better character in the Lion King 1 and 1.5. Meanwhile, in Simba's Pride, we see him develop into a better king. I would say that Simba is some of Disney's best work character wise.

[Lauren]

[quote="Simba66"]Simba is more than the complete package of a hero.
. A dark past? check.
. Wisdom and strength? Spot on.
. Kindness and courage? The definition of these words.
. Character of high stature? He's a king man. A KING!
. Awesome hair? Best ever.
And we actually see him develop into a better character in the Lion King 1 and 1.5. Meanwhile, in Simba's Pride, we see him develop into a better king. I would say that Simba is some of Disney's best work character wise.[/quote]

I feel the same way. Simba's A-W-S-O-M-E!

[Cdot]

SIMBA ROCKS !!!!!