Simba

[Harvs]

That's why I've been saying for such a very long time, people really don't have that big a reason to dislike Simba in the Lion King II. They only dislike him because they wanted to. Same with Kovu, they thought he was emo because they wanted to. I, on the other hand, am able to look past their opinions and see why Simba did what he did. Simba is a great king. He's strong, wise, brave, and like most heroes, has a dark past that haunts him to this day. The only fault he has is his hastiness. Plus, we see that he contradicts himself in songs: We Are One, and then later in the movies, Not One of Us. But looking at it that way, when doesn't he contradict himself? I Just Can't Wait to Be King, and then Hakuna Matata.

[TheRoguePrince]

I finally see that I must bow to the wisdom of Simba66 on the issue of Simba's being. Whilst I reserve the right to debate the complex being that is Kovu, I realise that Simba is a topic I have not fully investigated. It seems that both are on a level that far exceeds the opinions placed upon them by lovers of characters in conflict with our respective interests. I thus commend you for your faith and wisdom and hope that we may again discover the depths of our abilities to understand these wonderous personailities.

[Lauren]

[quote="Simba66"]That's why I've been saying for such a very long time, people really don't have that big a reason to dislike Simba in the Lion King II. They only dislike him because they wanted to. Same with Kovu, they thought he was emo because they wanted to. I, on the other hand, am able to look past their opinions and see why Simba did what he did. Simba is a great king. He's strong, wise, brave, and like most heroes, has a dark past that haunts him to this day. The only fault he has is his hastiness. Plus, we see that he contradicts himself in songs: We Are One, and then later in the movies, Not One of Us. But looking at it that way, when doesn't he contradict himself? I Just Can't Wait to Be King, and then Hakuna Matata. [/quote]

This is really the smart way of saying how I feel when people out there critsize Simba from TLK2. Most people complain about him for being a "jerk" and everything but those are just stupid reasons. You are right. Most couragous heros have darks pasts that still live inside of them. We don't see that kind of past with Kovu but we do with Simba. He was just this little cub that we all feel in love with and then later in his life, we see how Simba's doing as he grows up being a king and such. In TLK2, there are the things that Simba had to do that seemed horrible but he had no other choices and has to be realized for what he does.

[Harvs]

[quote="TheRoguePrince"]I finally see that I must bow to the wisdom of Simba66 on the issue of Simba's being. Whilst I reserve the right to debate the complex being that is Kovu, I realise that Simba is a topic I have not fully investigated. It seems that both are on a level that far exceeds the opinions placed upon them by lovers of characters in conflict with our respective interests. I thus commend you for your faith and wisdom and hope that we may again discover the depths of our abilities to understand these wonderous personailities.[/quote]

I have tried to the best of my abilities to analyze Simba, and I know I'm not quite there yet, but I appreciate that Rogue. It takes a true dedication *cough cough obsession* to properly analyze characters as complex as these. And though I'm not quite there yet, Simba is just one of those characters who appeals to me.

[TheRoguePrince]

[quote="Simba66"][quote="TheRoguePrince"]I finally see that I must bow to the wisdom of Simba66 on the issue of Simba's being. Whilst I reserve the right to debate the complex being that is Kovu, I realise that Simba is a topic I have not fully investigated. It seems that both are on a level that far exceeds the opinions placed upon them by lovers of characters in conflict with our respective interests. I thus commend you for your faith and wisdom and hope that we may again discover the depths of our abilities to understand these wonderous personailities.[/quote]

I have tried to the best of my abilities to analyze Simba, and I know I'm not quite there yet, but I appreciate that Rogue. It takes a true dedication *cough cough obsession* to properly analyze characters as complex as these. And though I'm not quite there yet, Simba is just one of those characters who appeals to me.[/quote]
The true value of understanding the personality of a character we like is not just what we find our about them, but what we find out about ourselves. In my study of Kovu I have seen in myself a part of him and you have probably seen Simba in you. This is not to say we are obsessed fan boys. We have just discovered a part of who we are and are finally able to give it a name. Well, one befitting of it. It seems that the greatest gain of exploring a character is peering into yourself as you do it.

[Lauren]

[quote="Simba66"][quote="TheRoguePrince"]I finally see that I must bow to the wisdom of Simba66 on the issue of Simba's being. Whilst I reserve the right to debate the complex being that is Kovu, I realise that Simba is a topic I have not fully investigated. It seems that both are on a level that far exceeds the opinions placed upon them by lovers of characters in conflict with our respective interests. I thus commend you for your faith and wisdom and hope that we may again discover the depths of our abilities to understand these wonderous personailities.[/quote]

I have tried to the best of my abilities to analyze Simba, and I know I'm not quite there yet, but I appreciate that Rogue. It takes a true dedication *cough cough obsession* to properly analyze characters as complex as these. And though I'm not quite there yet, Simba is just one of those characters who appeals to me.[/quote]

Same here.

[Harvs]

There are many reasons why I love Simba. There are the obvious ones; he's strong, he's brave, in the Lion King II he is a wise and just king. But then, there's the reasons that are often overlooked. He watched his father die right in-front of him. Truly a trial I would not wish on my worst enemy. He lived his whole childhood trusting someone who wanted him dead. Even living with Timon and Pumba, his past was constantly haunting him. Not even Hakuna Matata can cleanse the mind of a tragedy of that magnitude. But the greatest aspect of Simba is his heart. In the end, he chooses to learn from his past rather than continue running, even though it's easier to run. Deep inside his heart, Simba needed all the things that happened to him. He needed to lose his father to show him the what it truly takes to be a king. He needed Timon and Pumba to teach him that sometimes, forgetting a horrid past or relationship is the right thing to do (perfect example: "Let it go Zira. It's time to put the past behind us.") He needed Nala and Rafiki to remind him who he really was. And most of all, he needed Scar. For without Scar, Simba would have learned nothing, thus becoming a cocky and arrogant king. By adding up all of these traits, we can easily see that Simba is not just another Disney hero. And even though I think Kovu is a slightly better hero, Simba is still the quintessential hero that I'm proud to idolize.

[Cdot]

Simba is the best

[TheIvanMuse]

[quote="Simba66"]There are many reasons why I love Simba. There are the obvious ones; he's strong, he's brave, in the Lion King II he is a wise and just king. But then, there's the reasons that are often overlooked. He watched his father die right in-front of him. Truly a trial I would not wish on my worst enemy. He lived his whole childhood trusting someone who wanted him dead. Even living with Timon and Pumba, his past was constantly haunting him. Not even Hakuna Matata can cleanse the mind of a tragedy of that magnitude. But the greatest aspect of Simba is his heart. In the end, he chooses to learn from his past rather than continue running, even though it's easier to run. Deep inside his heart, Simba needed all the things that happened to him. He needed to lose his father to show him the what it truly takes to be a king. He needed Timon and Pumba to teach him that sometimes, forgetting a horrid past or relationship is the right thing to do (perfect example: "Let it go Zira. It's time to put the past behind us.") He needed Nala and Rafiki to remind him who he really was. And most of all, he needed Scar. For without Scar, Simba would have learned nothing, thus becoming a cocky and arrogant king. By adding up all of these traits, we can easily see that Simba is not just another Disney hero. And even though I think Kovu is a slightly better hero, Simba is still the quintessential hero that I'm proud to idolize.[/quote]
Totally agree with almost all that you just said. Almost all,because I don't think that Kovu is a better hero. But you got Simba's being captured very well in those lines.

[TheRoguePrince]

[quote="TheIvanMuse"][quote="Simba66"]There are many reasons why I love Simba. There are the obvious ones; he's strong, he's brave, in the Lion King II he is a wise and just king. But then, there's the reasons that are often overlooked. He watched his father die right in-front of him. Truly a trial I would not wish on my worst enemy. He lived his whole childhood trusting someone who wanted him dead. Even living with Timon and Pumba, his past was constantly haunting him. Not even Hakuna Matata can cleanse the mind of a tragedy of that magnitude. But the greatest aspect of Simba is his heart. In the end, he chooses to learn from his past rather than continue running, even though it's easier to run. Deep inside his heart, Simba needed all the things that happened to him. He needed to lose his father to show him the what it truly takes to be a king. He needed Timon and Pumba to teach him that sometimes, forgetting a horrid past or relationship is the right thing to do (perfect example: "Let it go Zira. It's time to put the past behind us.") He needed Nala and Rafiki to remind him who he really was. And most of all, he needed Scar. For without Scar, Simba would have learned nothing, thus becoming a cocky and arrogant king. By adding up all of these traits, we can easily see that Simba is not just another Disney hero. And even though I think Kovu is a slightly better hero, Simba is still the quintessential hero that I'm proud to idolize.[/quote]
Totally agree with almost all that you just said. Almost all,because I don't think that Kovu is a better hero. But you got Simba's being captured very well in those lines.[/quote]
I can agree with Simba66's comment in it's entirety, due to the fact that we all know where my loyalties lie. Simba is a great character but his emotional baggage lingers on and Kovu simply does not have that problem. I'm not saying Simba isn't great, just that Kovu is slightly easier for me to connect to.