dariusgib wrote:THough Kopa was created much before SP i just thought Darrel Rooney the director might of just thought of Kopa and hought it would be good.
And if SP's makers thought of Kopa and meant him as part of their background story, they would've made it undeniably clear in their film. But there is no references to other cubs whatsoever. As in, the differing design and ceremony alone wouldn't be enough, the film would need to have more to it in order to have the ceremony and all anything more than a remake of the first film's end.
dariusgib wrote:Also i thought at least with Kopa you might get a small indercation why Simba comes from this Noble fun loving king to this perdergis racist overportective fool
Pay attention to the film. The SP movie clearly and fully explains Simba's change. Simba is like that with Kiara because Kiara is just like he was when he was a cub. Simba ana Nala have an entire discussion about it right after Kiara leaves the scene. That's why the film makers put it there - to explain why Simba is so over-protective of his child so that it would be clear even to those who haven't seen the first film. That's all there is and needs to be to his over-protectiveness. The outlanders points were just generally adding to his worries.
As for those points: "stay away from the outlands" and "bunch of backstabbing, murderous outsiders" and "You can't turn your back on them" clearly refer to that Simba doesn't trust the ones he banished and that they're murderOUS, not necessarely murderers. To be labeled murderOUS takes only a failed attempt to murder someone which in this case would most likely be Simba himself.
And also, Simba isn't a racist. The banishment isn't about how the others look or any other superficial reason, it is about that they are Scar's heir and Scar was resident evil who poisoned Simba's mind against everything related to Scar. That point too, is clearly made in the film by Simba asking his father guidence: "Father, I'm lost. Kovu is one of them. Scar's heir. How can I accept him?" and Simba telling Kovu "Scar couldn't let go of his hate and in the end it destroyed him. Sometimes what's left behind can grow better than the generation before - if given the chance." Hence, he was telling Kovu he would give Kovu a chance despite Kovu being Scar's heir and Simba being scared that he'd grown up just like Scar. Which fear by the way was made clear in the Simba's dream scene.
Pay. attention. to. the film.
Because a sequel FILM's makers naturally use the first FILM as a source and base, not some fan made books. And if they would use stuff that can not be found in the same universe as in the first film, they would make a clear mention of it in the sequel film instead of leaving people wondering what's going on. Remember these are professional film makers who wouldn't leave gaping plot holes and if they used some other universe content in their work they would clearly tie it in. One might argue that they did leave a plot hole with the redesign of the cub and the ceremony but other might argue that they have every right to remake the end of the first film. And as they didn't leave any other even potential plot holes into the film if a viewer just bothers to pay attention and think about the first FILM, the cub/ceremony really isn't essential and has by now even been officially settled by the announcement that the cub doesn't have a gender or real name in its own film. Resulting in the SP's makers deciding it's a girl named Kiara and remaking the scene to match their own film's atmorphere and design.
dariusgib wrote:i dont know also view one of akrils essays on just wondering post by princessKiara and youll see the huge problems Kiara had
Would you please just explain in your own words what in the world do you mean by Kiara's "huge problems"? Excluding the design and ceremony in comparasion to the first film's end because that has officially been settled by the first cub's creators as not a problem.
xLilacVixenx wrote:x Kopa is mentioned only in the comic books. He is not a real character, but was considered.
There is NO evidence that Kopa was ever considered. Or if there is, please refer me to an
official source of such information. An official source that can be checked out. As in where and when have SP's makers told that they ever considered Kopa? The first film’s makers evidently never did.
I have heard a
rumour that SP’s makers first thought of writing Simba to have a boy and a girl and that the boy’s name would’ve been Chaka but that in the end they decided there would just be the girl. Note; Chaka, NOT Kopa. And the rumour has it that Chaka was simply cut out, not written out.
But most importantly; even the Chaka information is
unofficial. Nobody EVER refers to the source of that information! Which makes it very,
very likely just some fan’s desperate attempt to force the cub in the end of TLK to having been a boy at some point when it simply
never was. Originally it was genderless and later officially turned into a girl with a remade design and ceremony. In canon it still remains genderless.