Is Nala Vitani's real mother?

[Wereberess]

Anyway, I personally believe that Scar is Nalas father, and therefore never would have mated with her.
I think Vitani and Kovu have different fathers, which would explain their huge difference in appearance.

lol, Off-Topic but I just thought of this: If Nala is Scar's father, why didn't Simba exile her too?

Anyway, KM and PK said it all. I've thought about that before, but it seems unlikely because I don't think Nala would have the heart to exile her own daughter, Scar's offspring or not.

I never said Simba exiled Vitani.
I said during the battle Zira and Nuka took Vitani and Kovu elsewhere.
I honestly don't believe Simba would have the guts to exile two newborn cubs.
Maybe Zira returned, the lionesses alerted Simba she was Scar's queen and a danger to himself and Nala's cub-to-be. And the Queen doesn't exile other. The King does.

[thanigraphics]

Is there any quote in the movie that says something about Scar and/or Zira beeing not Vitani's mother? And if Nala was Vitani's mother, she wouldn't have been banished with the other outsiders, wouldn't she?

[Wereberess]

Is there any quote in the movie that says something about Scar and/or Zira beeing not Vitani's mother? And if Nala was Vitani's mother, she wouldn't have been banished with the other outsiders, wouldn't she?

JESUS PEOPLE! I NEVER SAID SHE WAS BANISHED!

Well.
When Nala and Vitani are about to scrap they converse
"Where's your pretty Daughter Nala?"
"Vitalleni!"(Because Nala sure as hell didn't say Vitani)

How Vitani and Nala are never seen making any contact but know each other's names kinda gave birth to this theory.

[Wereberess]

Personally, I don’t believe that Nala is Vitani’s mother. If she was, why would she allow Zira to take her away and raise her?(Werebz:What could she do? Hyenas were closing in at all sides plus there was a fire roaring. By the time she got to the den Zira,Nuka,Vitani, and Kovu would've been gone. The hyenas would've ingnored them as they were on Scar's side or of Scar's blood. It would've been fairly easy to get out of the battlefield, for those four.) Also, Nala fought Vitani at the end of SP.. If Nala was Vitani’s mother, why would they fight eachother? Of course, one possibility is that Vitani never knew who her real mother was, and therefore had no reason to NOT attack Nala... but like I said before, if Nala was Vitanis real mother, why would she give her up?(Werebz: Nala would have no choice. Wether Vitani knew Nala was her mother or not really says nothing. Zira could've convinced Vitani Nala abandoned her to find the Simba, who just happens to be Scar's murderer. With this information Vitani had a very good reason to want Nala dead.)
And why did’nt Nala ever tell Vitani she was her mother?(Werebz: She probably did or tried. But since she was brainwashed by Zira, Vitani probably didn't listen and she did what she was trained to do since birth. Kill any pridelander on sight. Which Nala just happened to be.)

Anyway, I personally believe that Scar is Nalas father, and therefore never would have mated with her. (Werebz: Well you wrong. The song "Madness of King Scar." proves you wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGtdbmDvd4o

Lyrics: Scar:

Ah, Nala... Your timing couldn't have been more perfect. My how you've
grown
Nala:Scar, you have got to do something. We're being forced to overhunt
Scar:She's got those assets feminine
Nala:You're the king. Control the hyenas
Scar:I have to make her mine
Nala:You're destroying the Pridelands
Scar:Nobility in every gene
Nala:If we don't stop now.. Don't you see...
Scar:She has to be my queen
Nala:...there's still a chance for things to be all right again...
Scar:Come, sweet Nala
It's written in the stars
Nala:What are you doing? Are you listening to me?
Scar:We'll create a host of little Scars
Nala:What are you talking about?
Scar:Tell me I'm adored
Nala:Get away from me
Scar:Tell me I'm adored
*Nala [censored] Scar*
Scar:Oh, Nala... you know how I loathe violence... One way or another, you will
be mineNala:Never, Scar. Never!
Scar:You belong to me
You all belong to me)


I think Vitani and Kovu have different fathers, which would explain their huge difference in appearance.

But when it comes to Vitanis mother, I think it’s Zira. It’s clearly stated in the movie.

[Czarine]

Most TLK fans believe Vitani was the result of Scar and Zira. I believe this but when I become more open to suggestions I came up with this.

Could Nala be Vitani's real mother?

As we know lionesses become sexually active at age 3. Perhaps Scar had at Nala before, Vitani being the result, but after finding out Zira's son Kovu wasn't his own he tried to seduce Nala and, since he had already had a cub from her, though it would be reasonable to make her his queen. Nala however refused and ran away. Since Vitani was of Scar's blood Zira accepted her without question.

Lionesses become receptive when current cubs die, grow up and leave, or when they are seperated. She would've been in heat again by the time she met Simba which is why while Simba was trying to be friendly Nala was acting rather flurtatious. It also explains that look (and lick) she gave him during CYFTLT. Simba and Nala mated in the forest and Nala was probably planning to stay there (which is why she was asking Timon and Pumbaa about his whereabouts. Also in a deleted scene Nala was going to stay with him.) there him until Rafiki informed her he went back and of course she goes as well.

During the hyena/lioness fight Zira couldn't risk her cubs getting injured/killed, if Scar should win the fight against Simba so she and Nuka took Vitani and Kovu away from the fire and the battle. Word got out Simba had won and Zira as well as the other outlanders had nothing else to believe except Simba had killed Scar. As for Nala, by the time the war was over her daughter was already gone, which explains her bitterness towards Zira when the first meet in SP.

It's actually not an outrageous idea.

Nala could give Vitani her pink nose, light coloration, eye color, eye shape, rounded cheeks.
Scar could give Vitani her nose shape, dark eyeshades, earstripes, smile, sharp teeth, long maw, anatomy, extended claws, paw color, and freckles.

*images cut*

Of course there are other possibilities.
ZiraXTojo=Vitani
SimbaXZira=Vitani
ect.

You know you're probably going into this much further than any Disney storywriter ever has? Why would they make such complex background stories if there was no practical use for it (and while it even doesn't show in the movies). They probably didn't even speculate themselves about what Nala did when Simba was gone, unless they thought about putting it into the movie. As far as you can tell from the movies, Vitani is Zira's cub and that's probably all there is to it.

[Wereberess]

Most TLK fans believe Vitani was the result of Scar and Zira. I believe this but when I become more open to suggestions I came up with this.

Could Nala be Vitani's real mother?

As we know lionesses become sexually active at age 3. Perhaps Scar had at Nala before, Vitani being the result, but after finding out Zira's son Kovu wasn't his own he tried to seduce Nala and, since he had already had a cub from her, though it would be reasonable to make her his queen. Nala however refused and ran away. Since Vitani was of Scar's blood Zira accepted her without question.

Lionesses become receptive when current cubs die, grow up and leave, or when they are seperated. She would've been in heat again by the time she met Simba which is why while Simba was trying to be friendly Nala was acting rather flurtatious. It also explains that look (and lick) she gave him during CYFTLT. Simba and Nala mated in the forest and Nala was probably planning to stay there (which is why she was asking Timon and Pumbaa about his whereabouts. Also in a deleted scene Nala was going to stay with him.) there him until Rafiki informed her he went back and of course she goes as well.

During the hyena/lioness fight Zira couldn't risk her cubs getting injured/killed, if Scar should win the fight against Simba so she and Nuka took Vitani and Kovu away from the fire and the battle. Word got out Simba had won and Zira as well as the other outlanders had nothing else to believe except Simba had killed Scar. As for Nala, by the time the war was over her daughter was already gone, which explains her bitterness towards Zira when the first meet in SP.

It's actually not an outrageous idea.

Nala could give Vitani her pink nose, light coloration, eye color, eye shape, rounded cheeks.
Scar could give Vitani her nose shape, dark eyeshades, earstripes, smile, sharp teeth, long maw, anatomy, extended claws, paw color, and freckles.

*images cut*

Of course there are other possibilities.
ZiraXTojo=Vitani
SimbaXZira=Vitani
ect.

You know you're probably going into this much further than any Disney storywriter ever has? Why would they make such complex background stories if there was no practical use for it (and while it even doesn't show in the movies). They probably didn't even speculate themselves about what Nala did when Simba was gone, unless they thought about putting it into the movie. As far as you can tell from the movies, Vitani is Zira's cub and that's probably all there is to it.

Maybe. Maybe not.

[PrincessKiara]

I get what you’re saying, Wereberess, and it’s definatly a good and plausible theory. I’m not convinced Nala is Vitanis mother, though.. Like Czarine mentioned, the Disney people never payed much attention to Nala’s side of the story.
The official story says that Zira is the mother of Nuka, Vitani and Kovu. That’s what I’ve chosen to believe too.

..And when it comes to Scar being Nalas father, that’s also something I’ve chosen to believe. I have my theory about that.
In regards to the TLKoB lyrics: I believe Scar is Nalas father. But Sarafina could have chosen not to tell Scar that Nala was his daughter.. likewise she could have chosen not to reveal the identity of Nalas father to her.

The line from the song "nobility in every gene" that hints at royalty in my opinion.. Where would that come from, if not from Scar himself? (or Mufasa?)
Lastly, the song is called "The Madness of King Scar." If Scar was Nalas father and wanted to make her his Queen, that would really prove his insanity..
Lastly, the way I see it, TLKoB is an interpretation of the movie that also explores areas not seen in the film, such as going deeper into the reign of Scar. Just another theory, the way I see it.

That’s just what I believe though. I’m not convinced Nala is Vitanis real mother, and I believe that Scar is Nalas father. *shrugs* Everyone has their theories.. Let’s just agree to disagree.

[QueenRalexia]

I think that Vitani said to Nala "Wheres your pretty Daughter Nala" because she was still on Zira's side
and she might have been a little mad that Kovu ran off with Kiara Or she might have wanted to remind
Nala that Kiara ran off with a Outlander. but thats just my opinion

[KiarasMate]

Is there any quote in the movie that says something about Scar and/or Zira beeing not Vitani's mother? And if Nala was Vitani's mother, she wouldn't have been banished with the other outsiders, wouldn't she?

JESUS PEOPLE! I NEVER SAID SHE WAS BANISHED!

Well.
When Nala and Vitani are about to scrap they converse
"Where's your pretty Daughter Nala?"
"Vitalleni!"(Because Nala sure as hell didn't say Vitani)

How Vitani and Nala are never seen making any contact but know each other's names kinda gave birth to this theory.

I don't think people are saying that you implied that Vitani was banished with the rest of the Outsiders, but rather, from the movie plot itself. They're sighting hard evidence from the movie is all.

[SilverSimba01]

I don't think that Nala is Vitani's mother, some reason, it doesn't make sense for me, if Vitani is Nala's daugther, why she was bannish from the Pridelands with the others Outsider? it doesn't make sense for me in some way