Suggestion for the Characters board

[Azdgari]

Is it worth all that headache in addition to the amount of work it will take to sift and sort the topics and restructure that area of the board just to clear up something that hasn't (in my experience) been a very big problem? I could be wrong, but you seem to be asking the board to take a stance on the 'officialness' of characters like Kopa and that's just not the staff's place; it's up to each member to determine how they believe the Lion King universe works. Having Moka or the staff define that for them might make a lot of people angry, and I think that's what Moka, Mike and I are arguing. ^^

[Panda-chan]

It's canon, not cannon. Just sayin'.

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="Azdgari"]Is it worth all that headache in addition to the amount of work it will take to sift and sort the topics and restructure that area of the board just to clear up something that hasn't (in my experience) been a very big problem? I could be wrong, but you seem to be asking the board to take a stance on the 'officialness' of characters like Kopa and that's just not the staff's place; it's up to each member to determine how they believe the Lion King universe works. Having Moka or the staff define that for them might make a lot of people angry, and I think that's what Moka, Mike and I are arguing. ^^[/quote]

But it's already defined for them! In any factual post in a debate/discussion by now. As in, they get the definition in the discussion topics anyway, so why not as well also in the orginizing of the board - while it would not order them to give up their personal believes any more than those discussions do, but would clarify the canon(s) to those who are genuinely interested in the line between as it truly is but certainly get confused with those countless (trivial and) messed up 50 page discussion topics.

And there would be no headache if the staff didn't take part in the outbreak, but as I suggested, let those who want, complain by themselves - as in if they just ignored them as just that; complaints for nothing that thus would sooner ot later die out when people would come to realize the change is nothing away from them, but would be clarifying the facts to those who do care (and there are a lot of those who care) while it would also be making the board better orginized in general.

IMPORTANT!! ---> Please, note that I am not suggesting that the staff shouldn't listen to or respect every member's opinions or that they'd have a habit not to. And I'm not saying that I personally mean to be any different on that. My point is that this specific matter is different: as long as the sub-board's description simply stated the official facts that are anyway being stated in the 50 page confusing discussion already, no one really has any valid base to complain about the new organizing. And that's why, in my opinion, the staff wouldn't have any obligation to make a headache to themselves about a partly negative first reaction.

[Jiirani]

[quote="SuperBabySimba"][quote="Azdgari"]Is it worth all that headache in addition to the amount of work it will take to sift and sort the topics and restructure that area of the board just to clear up something that hasn't (in my experience) been a very big problem? I could be wrong, but you seem to be asking the board to take a stance on the 'officialness' of characters like Kopa and that's just not the staff's place; it's up to each member to determine how they believe the Lion King universe works. Having Moka or the staff define that for them might make a lot of people angry, and I think that's what Moka, Mike and I are arguing. ^^[/quote]

But it's already defined for them! In any factual post in a debate/discussion by now. As in, they get the definition in the discussion topics anyway, so why not as well also in the orginizing of the board - while it would not order them to give up their personal believes any more than those discussions do, but would clarify the canon(s) to those who are genuinely interested in the line between as it truly is but certainly get confused with those countless (trivial and) messed up 50 page discussion topics.

And there would be no headache if the staff didn't take part in the outbreak, but as I suggested, let those who want, complain by themselves - as in if they just ignored them as just that; complaints for nothing that thus would sooner ot later die out when people would come to realize the change is nothing away from them, but would be clarifying the facts to those who do care (and there are a lot of those who care) while it would also be making the board better orginized in general.

IMPORTANT!! ---> Please, note that I am not suggesting that the staff shouldn't listen to or respect every member's opinions or that they'd have a habit not to. And I'm not saying that I personally mean to be any different on that. My point is that this specific matter is different: as long as the sub-board's description simply stated the official facts that are anyway being stated in the 50 page confusing discussion already, no one really has any valid base to complain about the new organizing. And that's why, in my opinion, the staff wouldn't have any obligation to make a headache to themselves about a partly negative first reaction.[/quote]


A true lion king fan should, in my opinion, know the fine lines that make up the TLK universe. Fair enough if you just watched the movies and then joined MLK and had no idea who Mheetu or Kopa was, if you were a big enough TLK fan you'd research them, would you not ?

[Mike]

The TLK universe is different for everyone =) There's nothing wrong with using your imagination even if some director plonks his two cents in the DVD commentary. Of course you realize your argument about letting complainers complain can be used to describe what's happening in this thread now. just sayin' =3

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="Jiirani"][quote="SuperBabySimba"][quote="Azdgari"]Is it worth all that headache in addition to the amount of work it will take to sift and sort the topics and restructure that area of the board just to clear up something that hasn't (in my experience) been a very big problem? I could be wrong, but you seem to be asking the board to take a stance on the 'officialness' of characters like Kopa and that's just not the staff's place; it's up to each member to determine how they believe the Lion King universe works. Having Moka or the staff define that for them might make a lot of people angry, and I think that's what Moka, Mike and I are arguing. ^^[/quote]

But it's already defined for them! In any factual post in a debate/discussion by now. As in, they get the definition in the discussion topics anyway, so why not as well also in the orginizing of the board - while it would not order them to give up their personal believes any more than those discussions do, but would clarify the canon(s) to those who are genuinely interested in the line between as it truly is but certainly get confused with those countless (trivial and) messed up 50 page discussion topics.

And there would be no headache if the staff didn't take part in the outbreak, but as I suggested, let those who want, complain by themselves - as in if they just ignored them as just that; complaints for nothing that thus would sooner ot later die out when people would come to realize the change is nothing away from them, but would be clarifying the facts to those who do care (and there are a lot of those who care) while it would also be making the board better orginized in general.

IMPORTANT!! ---> Please, note that I am not suggesting that the staff shouldn't listen to or respect every member's opinions or that they'd have a habit not to. And I'm not saying that I personally mean to be any different on that. My point is that this specific matter is different: as long as the sub-board's description simply stated the official facts that are anyway being stated in the 50 page confusing discussion already, no one really has any valid base to complain about the new organizing. And that's why, in my opinion, the staff wouldn't have any obligation to make a headache to themselves about a partly negative first reaction.[/quote]


A true lion king fan should, in my opinion, know the fine lines that make up the TLK universe. Fair enough if you just watched the movies and then joined MLK and had no idea who Mheetu or Kopa was, if you were a big enough TLK fan you'd research them, would you not ? [/quote]

Yes, I totally agree on that, but the sad fact is that the vast majority of fans don't do their research all the way up to the official sources themselves but trust the most loudly announced information which happens to be the lies.

[Jiirani]

[quote="SuperBabySimba"]
Yes, I totally agree on that, but the sad fact is that the vast majority of fans don't do their research all the way up to the official sources themselves but trust the most loudly announced information which happens to be the lies.[/quote]


I suppose your right. Maybe there should be the information about the character in the first post of the topic, showing things like what their role in the story/book was etc, and if they were cut then why, and maybe if there is a lot of mystery about the character or it's not actually Disney created (Like Kopa, but I still consider him canon) then the post can say the truth and bullet points with unconfirmed information etc? You know what i'm saying?

[SuperBabySimba]

[quote="Jiirani"][quote="SuperBabySimba"]
Yes, I totally agree on that, but the sad fact is that the vast majority of fans don't do their research all the way up to the official sources themselves but trust the most loudly announced information which happens to be the lies.[/quote]


I suppose your right. Maybe there should be the information about the character in the first post of the topic, showing things like what their role in the story/book was etc, and if they were cut then why, and maybe if there is a lot of mystery about the character or it's not actually Disney created (Like Kopa, but I still consider him canon) then the post can say the truth and bullet points with unconfirmed information etc? You know what i'm saying?[/quote]

Yes, in fact, if the sub-board idea really must be that treaded option, I think this might be the second best effective idea. Perhaps with also the title tagging idea Moka came up with. If every single character's discussion topic's first post offered a factually correct and through information about the character and its place in the official fandom without any unnecessary speculation which would just confuse people.

As in a mystery shouldn't be speculated for a character that doesn't have a mystery to it. Like the truth about Kopa never having existed in the movie universe (and by that everything from the books) couldn't be more clear by the facts of who created him and by the film makers' commentary track denial. And there is no mystery to what happened to Kopa because nothing happened to him as he never existed anywhere but in those books.

And, like, there is some mystery to Scar but that his real name isn't really Taka and he didn't get the scar from a buffalo as there is no official story by the film makers anout it.

This idea would also serve the quality of the character discussion topics themselves in the future. A good character discussion is started with all accurate facts which people could then base the discussion on.

[Jiirani]

[quote="SuperBabySimba"][quote="Jiirani"][quote="SuperBabySimba"]
Yes, I totally agree on that, but the sad fact is that the vast majority of fans don't do their research all the way up to the official sources themselves but trust the most loudly announced information which happens to be the lies.[/quote]


I suppose your right. Maybe there should be the information about the character in the first post of the topic, showing things like what their role in the story/book was etc, and if they were cut then why, and maybe if there is a lot of mystery about the character or it's not actually Disney created (Like Kopa, but I still consider him canon) then the post can say the truth and bullet points with unconfirmed information etc? You know what i'm saying?[/quote]

Yes, in fact, if the sub-board idea really must be that treaded option, I think this might be the second best effective idea. Perhaps with also the title tagging idea Moka came up with. If every single character's discussion topic's first post offered a factually correct and through information about the character and its place in the official fandom without any unnecessary speculation which would just confuse people.

As in a mystery shouldn't be speculated for a character that doesn't have a mystery to it. Like the truth about Kopa never having existed in the movie universe (and by that everything from the books) couldn't be more clear by the facts of who created him and by the film makers' commentary track denial. And there is no mystery to what happened to Kopa because nothing happened to him as he never existed anywhere but in those books.

And, like, there is some mystery to Scar but that his real name isn't really Taka and he didn't get the scar from a buffalo as there is no official story by the film makers anout it.

This idea would also serve the quality of the character discussion topics themselves in the future. A good character discussion is started with all accurate facts which people could then base the discussion on.[/quote]

Ah, that sounds like a good idea. The sub board would take a lot of time to create and probably be unfair on the mods, so the idea of factual info in the first post sounds better, more people would learn that way...

[Azdgari]

[quote="SuperBabySimba"]
Yes, in fact, if the sub-board idea really must be that treaded option, I think this might be the second best effective idea. Perhaps with also the title tagging idea Moka came up with. If every single character's discussion topic's first post offered a factually correct and through information about the character and its place in the official fandom without any unnecessary speculation which would just confuse people.

This idea would also serve the quality of the character discussion topics themselves in the future. A good character discussion is started with all accurate facts which people could then base the discussion on.[/quote]
That sounds pretty reasonable to me. I've always thought we really need new character discussion topics because 95% of the current posts in them are '_____ is the best!', '______ is so cool' and '______ is my favorite'. Perhaps new ones with a comprehensive first post would be more conducive to a better discussion. I would support that idea. ^^