Election Day 2012

[Azdgari]

HEY EVERYBODY




We can talk without getting at each other's necks.

[DGFone]

So I might agree with most of that, except for two:

I never called for aggressive action against Iran. We just need to GUARANTEE that it won't be able to make nuclear weapons. Energy? Fine. But weapons? Absolutely not. And guaranteeing means 0% uncertainty. We need to know exactly what Iran is doing at all times.

Global Warming IS a myth. Yes, things are happening to the world, and we need to help prevent them. But exactly what, we DON'T know. We are only beginning to understand. The greenhouse effect? Basic physics disproves it. In fact, why do we use the term 'climate change' versus 'global warming'? It's not because one of the phrases is out of style, but because global warming is WRONG. Once again, look at Antarctica right now: A MAXIMUM of ice in recorded history. I thought ice melts at warmer temperatures... Something isn't adding up.

Regulus: First source: Climate change, not global warming
second source: CO2 levels, not global warming
Third source: Climate change and CO2 levels, NOT global warming. And it shows a map of the north, not the south. If global warming was true, Antarctica would also hardly have any ice.

[Woeler]

I really can't believe what I'm reading.

[Azdgari]

[quote]But weapons? Absolutely not. And guaranteeing means 0% uncertainty. We need to know exactly what Iran is doing at all times.[/quote]
That is a fairly extreme position. But certainly understandable and, I suppose, defensible.

[Woeler]

[quote="Azdgari"][quote]But weapons? Absolutely not. And guaranteeing means 0% uncertainty. We need to know exactly what Iran is doing at all times.[/quote]
That is a fairly extreme position. But certainly understandable and, I suppose, defensible.[/quote]
We might protect against an invisible comet as well... No 100% certainty there either

[TheRoguePrince]

A question for Woeler: If Iran says out in the open "We are making a nuke" would you take measures to stop them/keep it out of the hands of terrorists?

Also, for global warming, I just don't trust if the temperatures recorded 100 years ago are accurate. I mean, people were still pooping in the woods and reading by candlelight. Forgive me if I don't believe the accuracy of the records
/standupcomedy

[DGFone]

[quote="Woeler1"]I really can't believe what I'm reading.[/quote]

Because you don't know that Global Warming and Climate Change ARE NOT the same. Global Warming is what the public got from pseudoscience from things like the "Inconvenient Truth". Only a tiny kernel of that is true, the rest has all been disproven.

Climate Change is how our activities effect the climate. We are only beginning to understand it, and the simplest way to describe what is currently being discovered is "the extremes get more extreme". Dry places will get drier, and wet places will get wetter.

There is loads of evidence for climate change. But Global Warming? Yeah, it's a myth, and a ridiculousn one. And to lump the two as one and the same is ignorant.

Woeler: We are looking at ways to protect from comets as well.

[Azdgari]

Okay, DGF, you're sort of being misleading. Saying Global Warming is a myth sort of insinuates that you don't believe in Climate Change. Climate Change is just the new word for Global Warming--to the public they mean the same thing: The effect humans have on the environment. If you run around saying you don't believe in Global Warming and don't say "I believe in Climate Change though!", you'll definitely be perceived as, well, a bit nuts. :3

Or you can be (frankly) really elitist and say "Everyone should know better!", but I would recommend realizing the way the vast majority of the world is going to understand you. Get me?

[Woeler]

@trp If we could prove it, yes. Otherwise we have no business there. America is not bigdaddy. If one should decide it is the UN and not the USA alone. But let me guess you do happen to believe in a 2000 year old book?

@dgf, so one of you two is misinterpreting something, which still doesn't disprove anything. I am not getting in the globalwarming thing.

[DGFone]

[quote="Azdgari"]Okay, DGF, you're sort of being misleading. Saying Global Warming is a myth sort of insinuates that you don't believe in Climate Change. Climate Change is just the new word for Global Warming--to the public they mean the same thing: The effect humans have on the environment. If you run around saying you don't believe in Global Warming and don't say "I believe in Climate Change though!", you'll definitely be perceived as, well, a bit nuts. :3

Neh?[/quote]

That's because the public is being mislead. Not on purpose, just that many sources don't know any better. It's why you get on the news things like "CERN WILL BLOW UP TEH WORLD!!one!" It's not because CERN will do that, but because that news source doesn't know how to check the facts, sees a good story, and publishes it. The next thing you know, the public is crying out for the destruction of CERN in order to save the world...

So I am going to repeat myself once more:

Climate Change IS NOT Global Warming. Climate change is what we are experiencing right now. Global Warming is the pseudoscience that first tried to explain climate change. And if you look at what is happening with the world, it doesn't match Global Warming predictions.

So it might make me look nuts to sat that Global Warming is false, but I hope that I can educate people into learning the difference.