Election Day 2012

[Azdgari]

HEY EVERYBODY




We can talk without getting at each other's necks.

[DGFone]

So I might agree with most of that, except for two:

I never called for aggressive action against Iran. We just need to GUARANTEE that it won't be able to make nuclear weapons. Energy? Fine. But weapons? Absolutely not. And guaranteeing means 0% uncertainty. We need to know exactly what Iran is doing at all times.

Global Warming IS a myth. Yes, things are happening to the world, and we need to help prevent them. But exactly what, we DON'T know. We are only beginning to understand. The greenhouse effect? Basic physics disproves it. In fact, why do we use the term 'climate change' versus 'global warming'? It's not because one of the phrases is out of style, but because global warming is WRONG. Once again, look at Antarctica right now: A MAXIMUM of ice in recorded history. I thought ice melts at warmer temperatures... Something isn't adding up.

Regulus: First source: Climate change, not global warming
second source: CO2 levels, not global warming
Third source: Climate change and CO2 levels, NOT global warming. And it shows a map of the north, not the south. If global warming was true, Antarctica would also hardly have any ice.

[Azdgari]

But weapons? Absolutely not. And guaranteeing means 0% uncertainty. We need to know exactly what Iran is doing at all times.

That is a fairly extreme position. But certainly understandable and, I suppose, defensible.

[TheRoguePrince]

A question for Woeler: If Iran says out in the open "We are making a nuke" would you take measures to stop them/keep it out of the hands of terrorists?

Also, for global warming, I just don't trust if the temperatures recorded 100 years ago are accurate. I mean, people were still pooping in the woods and reading by candlelight. Forgive me if I don't believe the accuracy of the records
/standupcomedy

[DGFone]

I really can't believe what I'm reading.

Because you don't know that Global Warming and Climate Change ARE NOT the same. Global Warming is what the public got from pseudoscience from things like the "Inconvenient Truth". Only a tiny kernel of that is true, the rest has all been disproven.

Climate Change is how our activities effect the climate. We are only beginning to understand it, and the simplest way to describe what is currently being discovered is "the extremes get more extreme". Dry places will get drier, and wet places will get wetter.

There is loads of evidence for climate change. But Global Warming? Yeah, it's a myth, and a ridiculousn one. And to lump the two as one and the same is ignorant.

Woeler: We are looking at ways to protect from comets as well.

[Azdgari]

Okay, DGF, you're sort of being misleading. Saying Global Warming is a myth sort of insinuates that you don't believe in Climate Change. Climate Change is just the new word for Global Warming--to the public they mean the same thing: The effect humans have on the environment. If you run around saying you don't believe in Global Warming and don't say "I believe in Climate Change though!", you'll definitely be perceived as, well, a bit nuts. :3

Or you can be (frankly) really elitist and say "Everyone should know better!", but I would recommend realizing the way the vast majority of the world is going to understand you. Get me?

[DGFone]

Okay, DGF, you're sort of being misleading. Saying Global Warming is a myth sort of insinuates that you don't believe in Climate Change. Climate Change is just the new word for Global Warming--to the public they mean the same thing: The effect humans have on the environment. If you run around saying you don't believe in Global Warming and don't say "I believe in Climate Change though!", you'll definitely be perceived as, well, a bit nuts. :3

Neh?

That's because the public is being mislead. Not on purpose, just that many sources don't know any better. It's why you get on the news things like "CERN WILL BLOW UP TEH WORLD!!one!" It's not because CERN will do that, but because that news source doesn't know how to check the facts, sees a good story, and publishes it. The next thing you know, the public is crying out for the destruction of CERN in order to save the world...

So I am going to repeat myself once more:

Climate Change IS NOT Global Warming. Climate change is what we are experiencing right now. Global Warming is the pseudoscience that first tried to explain climate change. And if you look at what is happening with the world, it doesn't match Global Warming predictions.

So it might make me look nuts to sat that Global Warming is false, but I hope that I can educate people into learning the difference.

[Azdgari]

Well, then we just wasted a a few pages, I guess.

[Regulus]

Okay, let's go back to middle school.

Mercury is the innermost planet in the Solar System. It is also the smallest, and its orbit is the most eccentric (that is, the least perfectly circular) of the eight planets.[a] It orbits the Sun once in about 88 Earth days, completing three rotations about its axis for every two orbits. The planet is named after the Roman god Mercury, the messenger to the gods.

Mercury's surface is heavily cratered and similar in appearance to Earth's Moon, indicating that it has been geologically inactive for billions of years. Due to its near lack of an atmosphere to retain heat, Mercury's surface experiences the steepest temperature gradient of all the planets, ranging from a very cold 100 K at night to a very hot 700 K during the day.

Venus is shrouded by an opaque layer of highly reflective clouds of sulfuric acid, preventing its surface from being seen from space in visible light. It has the densest atmosphere of the four terrestrial planets, consisting mostly of carbon dioxide. The atmospheric pressure at the planet's surface is 92 times that of Earth's. With a mean surface temperature of 735 K (462 °C; 863 °F), Venus is by far the hottest planet in the Solar System.

An atmosphere (New Latin atmosphaera, created in the 17th century from Greek ἀτμός [atmos] "vapor"[1] and σφαῖρα [sphaira] "sphere"[2]) is a layer of gases that may surround a material body of sufficient mass,[3] and that is held in place by the gravity of the body. An atmosphere may be retained for a longer duration, if the gravity is high and the atmosphere's temperature is low. Some planets consist mainly of various gases, but only their outer layer is their atmosphere.

The concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in Earth's atmosphere has reached 395 ppm (parts per million) as of June 2012[1][2] and rose by 2.0 ppm/yr during 2000–2009. [2][3] This current concentration is substantially higher than the 280 ppm concentration present in pre-industrial times, with the increase largely attributed to anthropogenic sources.[4] Carbon dioxide is used in photosynthesis (in plants and other photoautotrophs), and is also a prominent greenhouse gas. Despite its relatively small overall concentration in the atmosphere, CO2 is an important component of Earth's atmosphere because it absorbs and emits infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode), thereby playing a role in the greenhouse effect.[5] The present level is higher than at any time during the last 800 thousand years,[6] and likely higher than in the past 20 million years.[7]

We are not entirely responsible for global warming. We are merely catalysts for the event. In a totally natural environment, the oceans regulate CO2.

Ocean acidification is the name given to the ongoing decrease in the pH of the Earth's oceans, caused by the uptake of anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere.[1] About 30–40% of the carbon dioxide released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into the oceans, rivers and lakes.[2][3]

Ocean acidification, which like global climate change is driven by excessive levels of carbon dioxide, has been regarded by climate scientists as the "equally evil twin" of global climate change.[9]

The oceans still regulate CO2, but we emit much more than can be regulated. With only natural events, it wouldn't be an issue, and the fluctuation in the troposphere wouldn't be anywhere near as large.

The oceans absorb CO2, and when they do that the CO2 eventually gets back into the earth's crust. From there, it is emitted again in more than likely volcanic activity.

And as we industrialize more and more, the forests that are supposed to regulate CO2 on land are being depleted. So, essentially, what we're doing is throwing the system out of whack. We are causing climate change to happen more rapidly because of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

NASA supports this. The EPA supports this. You do not. Gee, I just don't know who I should believe.

[DGFone]

NASA supports this. The EPA supports this. You do not. Gee, I just don't know who I should believe.

Did you like... not read... anything I just said? Anything at all? You know, I'm not even going to repeat myself, just quote what you obviously missed.

Climate Change IS NOT Global Warming. Climate change is what we are experiencing right now. Global Warming is the pseudoscience that first tried to explain climate change. And if you look at what is happening with the world, it doesn't match Global Warming predictions.

Climate Change is how our activities effect the climate. We are only beginning to understand it, and the simplest way to describe what is currently being discovered is "the extremes get more extreme". Dry places will get drier, and wet places will get wetter.

There is loads of evidence for climate change. But Global Warming? Yeah, it's a myth, and a ridiculousn one. And to lump the two as one and the same is ignorant.

So in other words: I do agree with NASA and the EPA. They don't agree with Global Warming. They agree with Climate change.