Man fighting for euthanasia gets NO as an answer.

[Azdgari]

[quote="SimbaCanHazDonut"]LOL AN ARGUMENT WAS CREATED BY OF THE MISINTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD[/quote]
Like that's never happened.

[WildSimba]

[quote="SimbaCanHazDonut"]So it should be illegal for a woman to choose she doesn't want to carry with a baby, basically ruining her life and the child's itself, I mean, you can't private a person from deciding what to do with its body. It might have the POTENTIAL of life, but it is not a life in that moment, it might be biologically alive, but you know is nothing, NOTHING in the moment they do the abortion. I don't say abortion is such a good thing, cause there're better things the person could do, I'm talking about the right the person has to have an abort, the parents should be the ones to decide, specially the woman, what to do with that ''potential'', anyways, if you decide to not bring it to life, why is it a crime?, you're not killing.[/quote]

I hate when people say that. It's not her body she's deciding to do something with. The moment she became pregnant, she started sharing her body with another person. It's not a proper argument to say it's her body, it's her choice... because it's not just her body anymore, she's sharing it with another person.

And it is murder, you're taking away that Fetus's chance at developing further. Just because something doesn't have a brain, doesn't mean they're not there. If you cut down a tree before it has the proper chance to live, are you still taking away from the environment? Yes. Because that tree was meant to grow and be alive, that's why it was there. Same applies to a Fetus. Why should that mother have a right to murder her unborn child? She shouldn't.

[Tabby]

[quote="WildSimba"][quote="SimbaCanHazDonut"]So it should be illegal for a woman to choose she doesn't want to carry with a baby, basically ruining her life and the child's itself, I mean, you can't private a person from deciding what to do with its body. It might have the POTENTIAL of life, but it is not a life in that moment, it might be biologically alive, but you know is nothing, NOTHING in the moment they do the abortion. I don't say abortion is such a good thing, cause there're better things the person could do, I'm talking about the right the person has to have an abort, the parents should be the ones to decide, specially the woman, what to do with that ''potential'', anyways, if you decide to not bring it to life, why is it a crime?, you're not killing.[/quote]

I hate when people say that. It's not her body she's deciding to do something with. The moment she became pregnant, she started sharing her body with another person. It's not a proper argument to say it's her body, it's her choice... because it's not just her body anymore, she's sharing it with another person.

And it is murder, you're taking away that Fetus's chance at developing further. Just because something doesn't have a brain, doesn't mean they're not there. If you cut down a tree before it has the proper chance to live, are you still taking away from the environment? Yes. Because that tree was meant to grow and be alive, that's why it was there. Same applies to a Fetus. Why should that mother have a right to murder her unborn child? She shouldn't.[/quote]

As I mentioned, it should be the parents choice, not yours or anybody else's, if she's sharing it with someone is with the father, ok... but what if the father doesn't want her to abort?, she's still the one who's going to carry with the baby on her womb for 9 months, why must she do that for him anyways, why should be the father's choice the one to be taken?.. But anyways, if both were agreeing with aborting the child, which would be more common, then why can't they?, it's their genetic material, it belongs to them, at least while it's only that, a mass of cells.

however, you're saying its murder to kill a mass of cells, THAT IS NOT A LIFE. dude that'd be like saying masturbation should be illegal cause you're taking away the sperm's chance to feveloping further.... Please!, if it is not a complete life, then is not murdering.

Now I ask you, about your example, are all those men who cuts trees in the jail?, cause they actually cut down a lot of trees every days to make paper or goods, houses, whatever... with the meat is the same, you're killing an animal for your comfort, one that could've had the chance to live... WHEN YOU EAT AN EGG, you're taking away its chance to live.. so that's kinda stupid to be considered.

If you could actually take away the fetus from the girl, and put it on somewhere else, fine, but sicne it's impossible, since you're not the one who's going to carry on with the burden, just let the choice to that pregnant woman.

[Azdgari]

While this is certainly a, well, incendiary argument, maybe we should move it to another topic? :]

[DGFone]

Not to mention that even if something gets to live, guess where the very end is? Yup. Death it is.

Abortion, since many argue where it's no longer about one person but about two, should be something that the entire family discusses. If there is no family to discuss it with... guess what kind of family that future child is going to be born into? You wouldn't want your kid to grow up in such a family.

But back to the main topic: Suicide. Suicide is one life, and it belongs to the person who is taking it, so it's not murder. If you are of sound mind, and you don't want to live anymore, other people don't have a right to tell you what you can or cannot do to yourself.

[WildSimba]

[quote="DGFone"]Not to mention that even if something gets to live, guess where the very end is? Yup. Death it is.

Abortion, since many argue where it's no longer about one person but about two, should be something that the entire family discusses. If there is no family to discuss it with... guess what kind of family that future child is going to be born into? You wouldn't want your kid to grow up in such a family.

But back to the main topic: Suicide. Suicide is one life, and it belongs to the person who is taking it, so it's not murder. If you are of sound mind, and you don't want to live anymore, other people don't have a right to tell you what you can or cannot do to yourself.[/quote]

But how many people in sound mind commit suicide? Not many obviously. It's almost always a teenager who thinks their life is too hard so take the easy way out. If it's a well considered suicide, and they're in sound mind, then sure, I say all right to them. Will I ever condone suicide? No, I think there's always a better option. Do I think it's the right choice for someone to make? In situations like Euthanasia, I say sure, it's their choice if they choose not to suffer anymore.

[Azdgari]

Bad post was bad...

[WildSimba]

[quote="Azdgari"][quote="WildSimba"][quote="DGFone"]Not to mention that even if something gets to live, guess where the very end is? Yup. Death it is.

Abortion, since many argue where it's no longer about one person but about two, should be something that the entire family discusses. If there is no family to discuss it with... guess what kind of family that future child is going to be born into? You wouldn't want your kid to grow up in such a family.

But back to the main topic: Suicide. Suicide is one life, and it belongs to the person who is taking it, so it's not murder. If you are of sound mind, and you don't want to live anymore, other people don't have a right to tell you what you can or cannot do to yourself.[/quote]

But how many people in sound mind commit suicide? Not many obviously. It's almost always a teenager who thinks their life is too hard so take the easy way out. If it's a well considered suicide, and they're in sound mind, then sure, I say all right to them. Will I ever condone suicide? No, I think there's always a better option. Do I think it's the right choice for someone to make? In situations like Euthanasia, I say sure, it's their choice if they choose not to suffer anymore.[/quote]
Umm, not to be a smart-aleck, but did you read my post?[/quote]

Yes I did. Have you read all my posts? I even said in a situation like your grandpa's, I think he made the right choice. I just don't like to condone suicide, because I don't personally think it's the right decision to make. I was just saying how often do people really consider if it's the right thing to do before doing it? Cases like your grandpa's are fairly rare. It's more often just an easy way out for a person. You have to consider when you take your own life, you're not just hurting yourself, you're hurting everyone who loves and cares about you too.

[DGFone]

The only reason why people give up on life and "want to die" is because we don't know how to cheat death. No one wants to die, I am certain that even those completely paralyzed people don't exactly want to die. But they do feel that death is a better alternative to life in bed 24/7. It's not that they want to die as much as they are sick and tired of their broken bodies.

Until we figure out how to cheat death and replace all broken body parts, whether by organic or machine, people will choose death over a life of constant misery.

[Azdgari]

[quote="WildSimba"]
Yes I did. Have you read all my posts?[/quote]
Aha! I missed your earlier one. My apologies, good sir. However, I'm glad that I was able to be helpful. Too often debates and discussions like these are two people talking at one another with closed ears. The goal shouldn't be to change someone else's opinions, it should be to perfect one's own, and you can only do that by listening to what people have to say.

And I agree with your opinion! It is something that should never be considered lightly, or as an 'escape' from trivial problems, and it's indeed a tragedy when that happens. And the ramifications to those around you can't be underestimated. Even in the case of my Grandpa. He didn't exactly warn us.